Speech pattern and typographical variations across Canada

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by jonny24

I use it a lot for sure, but I feel like I always have so don't know where it came from exactly.

All my aunts and uncle say "youse" instead

You hear "youse" in Southern Ontario, sometimes sounding more like "yuz".

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I'd heard y'all from Canadians before, but until very recently it was always in a joking way, making fun of US Southerners. But these days it's not used to mock Americans. I have also noticed that it's migrated north in the US in recent years and decades. So maybe it was just a question of time before it crossed the border.

I've heard youse before as well, in various regions of Canada - it's clearly more common than y'all in Canada at present I am pretty sure.

Totally agree re: y'all, it used to be said ironically but in the last decade or so that irony has faded away.

I guess in some respects it has a use to try and clear up ambiguity between the single and plural "you" which is one of the more annoying aspects of the English language... it feels like a word is missing from the lexicon. I guess we can bring back individual pronouns like "thee" or "thou"...it wouldn't be any less clunky and awkward than using "y'all" or "youse".

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Seepage??? You mean like from the sewers????

I have learned over time to no longer fret as much about "seepage" of US culture into Canada.

It's like being upset about the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by esquire

Totally agree re: y'all, it used to be said ironically but in the last decade or so that irony has faded away.

I guess in some respects it has a use to try and clear up ambiguity between the single and plural "you" which is one of the more annoying aspects of the English language... it feels like a word is missing from the lexicon. I guess we can bring back individual pronouns like "thee" or "thou"...it wouldn't be any less clunky and awkward than using "y'all" or "youse".

Only problem would be that "y'all" is now being used as the second person singular, as well as the plural. The confusion continues ...

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I have learned over time to no longer fret as much about "seepage" of US culture into Canada.

It's like being upset about the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Now that US culture no longer gets filtered through sources like TV/radio (regulated) and newspapers/magazines (edited), the rate at which it "seeps" into Canada has accelerated. We get it straight from the source on our phones now via Youtube, social media, etc.

That is harmless when it comes to things like hip hop music and fashion, but it can be a little more insidious when it comes to the more fringe elements of American society like the Q lunatics, antivaxers, the extreme woke mobs, etc.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by esquire

Now that US culture no longer gets filtered through sources like TV/radio (regulated) and newspapers/magazines (edited), the rate at which it "seeps" into Canada has accelerated. We get it straight from the source on our phones now via Youtube, social media, etc.

That is harmless when it comes to things like hip hop music and fashion, but it can be a little more insidious when it comes to the more fringe elements of American society like the Q lunatics, antivaxers, the extreme woke mobs, etc.

Not all hiphop music (and the culture) associated with it is innocuous.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Not all hiphop music (and the culture) associated with it is innocuous.

Fair enough. I just meant things like being able to hear the latest popular song without having to wait for it to filter through the domestic gatekeepers at MuchMusic or commercial radio, etc.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Seepage??? You mean like from the sewers????

Nothing gets past you, huh?

Originally Posted by esquire

Now that US culture no longer gets filtered through sources like TV/radio (regulated) and newspapers/magazines (edited), the rate at which it "seeps" into Canada has accelerated. We get it straight from the source on our phones now via Youtube, social media, etc.

Definitely, but it goes both ways and all ways, as well. One's TikTok feed can be whatever one's incredibly niche interest is, and that is doubly true for cultural items. A good comparison is the Japanese cultural wave of the 80s versus the Korean wave of the 10s/20s. The latter is much easier to accelerate and push through cultural channels, whereas as you point out in the past there were filters that would control what we'd otherwise get.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Not all hiphop music (and the culture) associated with it is innocuous.

Sounds like somebody didn't like WAP.

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Sounds like somebody didn't like WAP.

Reading the lyrics of the song and being remotely aware of the songs controversy at the time of its release, I don't see a legacy of concept albums coming from these 'artistes'.

It makes 'Why D'Ya Do It' by Marianne Faithful seem like a Carpenters song by comparison.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Sounds like somebody didn't like WAP.

Not a big deal to me. I am not especially prudish.

There are way more egregious examples out there from hiphop culture, in terms of misogyny, violence, etc. That are also semi-mainstream with young people these days.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There are way more egregious examples out there from hiphop culture, in terms of misogyny, violence, etc. That are also semi-mainstream with young people these days.

To say nothing of sex, drugs, and rock and roll from the 60s onwards. Hip hop didn't invent controversial music culture.

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by Acajack

There are way more egregious examples out there from hiphop culture, in terms of misogyny, violence, etc. That are also semi-mainstream with young people these days.

I dunno. I don't think hip hop lyrics encouraged Gen Z - the least violent generation in history - to go out and commit crimes any more than Mungo Jerry's Summertime Feel encouraged Boomer men to eventually become #MeToo perpetrators.

"If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel"

[niwell]

"Violence in hip-hop" as a lifestyle / lyrical theme peaked quite some time ago and is probably lower than it has been in some time. Not to say it doesn't exist, but it's much less common than when the style was seen as a subversive culture.

[manny_santos]

Originally Posted by esquire

Now that US culture no longer gets filtered through sources like TV/radio (regulated) and newspapers/magazines (edited), the rate at which it "seeps" into Canada has accelerated. We get it straight from the source on our phones now via Youtube, social media, etc.

That is harmless when it comes to things like hip hop music and fashion, but it can be a little more insidious when it comes to the more fringe elements of American society like the Q lunatics, antivaxers, the extreme woke mobs, etc.

I've also noticed this happening with other English-speaking countries. Notably, during the pandemic I've noticed "jab" has become a far more common term for vaccination (i.e. "I got the jab" or "My parents are getting jabbed"). Prior to 2020 that was very much a UK term, but I've noticed it being used far more often in Canada now than before.

[manny_santos]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

You hear "youse" in Southern Ontario, sometimes sounding more like "yuz".

I don't ever remember hearing that one around the London area, but that one is very common in Southeastern Ontario, around the Kingston area.

The one I remember hearing in Southwestern Ontario is "dart" for cigarette.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

I dunno. I don't think hip hop lyrics encouraged Gen Z - the least violent generation in history - to go out and commit crimes any more than Mungo Jerry's Summertime Feel encouraged Boomer men to eventually become #MeToo perpetrators.

"If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel"

I don't recall that many artists popular with Boomers or GenXers being shot to death or being accused of shooting someone to death. Mostly when they died it would be from an OD or some type of accident when they were drunk.

My kids who listen to hiphop have more than a few artists they've at least followed (they're not big on obsessive fandom) who've died violent deaths.

Perhaps it has died down, I dunno.

There definitely is a difference IMO.

[niwell]

Clearly people here didn't listen to Norwegian Black Metal growing up!

https://metalinjection.net/lists/top-10-crimes-committed-black-metal-musicians

Most of the guys who are still around have since denounced what was going on back then (many were still teenagers), with the noticeable exception of Varg Vikernes. Who is something else, to say the least.

Lots of other metal was pretty violent well after the Satanic Panic and Tipper Gore had a conniption. I remember reading the liner notes of my best friend's brother's Cannibal Corpse album and being amazed that was allowed. To a certain extent this stuff flew under the radar because it couldn't get commercial airplay, but to myself and friends who consumed heavy music magazines like they were Tiger Beat it was all pretty familiar.

[Acajack]

Yes, I know that stuff existed, but it was fringe not mainstream.

[Acajack]

Anyway, I was glad my kids were only second language English speakers when they went through that phase.

[thewave46]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

The one I remember hearing in Southwestern Ontario is "dart" for cigarette.

...and the rise of Dartman to meme-fame goodness.

Dartman, the hero we deserve