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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 9:04 PM
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"Greyhound announced that it is bringing back routes to Canada with stops in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver starting on Nov. 8." (but not Ottawa)
https://www.blogto.com/travel/2021/10/gr...ice-buses-leaving-toronto-united-states/
Weird, Ottawa-Montreal had to be close to the busiest route in the country.
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Weird, Ottawa-Montreal had to be close to the busiest route in the country.
The three cities mentioned are terminii. They aren't serving intercity inside Canada.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 9:41 PM
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The three cities mentioned are terminii. They aren't serving intercity inside Canada.
Thanks, makes more sense.
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OK, so something like Toronto-Buffalo, Montréal-New York and Vancouver-Seattle, and only that?
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OK, so something like Toronto-Buffalo, Montréal-New York and Vancouver-Seattle, and only that?
Exactly, though looking at their schedule, it seems as though from Montreal they also have a bus to Boston.

At one time Greyhound had an Ottawa-Syracuse bus. I am not sure if it was cancelled before or because of COVID.
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Exactly, though looking at their schedule, it seems as though from Montreal they also have a bus to Boston.

At one time Greyhound had an Ottawa-Syracuse bus. I am not sure if it was cancelled before or because of COVID.
Montreal-Boston makes sense too.

Ottawa-Syracuse if I recall was fairly recent (i.e. it's not a route that'd always been there) and it didn't last that long. I also don't know if it was scrapped pre or post COVID.
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https://www.obj.ca/article/regional/roxb...-continues-acquisition-casselman-company

Roxborough Bus Lines' expansion drive continues with acquisition of Casselman company
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Jan 13, 2022 3:27pm EST

An Ottawa-based passenger bus company has acquired another eastern Ontario transportation firm as it continues to expand its footprint in the region.

Roxborough Bus Lines announced this week it has finalized a deal to buy 417 Bus Line Ltd., a family-owned business based in Casselman, about 55 kilometres southeast of Ottawa. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

“This strategic acquisition will bring added capabilities to our school bus division as well as add motor coaches to our product offering, enabling our customers more options across our charter transportation services,” Roxborough Bus Lines president Nick McRae said in a statement.

'New chapter'
Founded in 1958 as Laplante Bus Lines, 417 Bus Line adopted its current name in 1974. The company has about 220 employees who maintain and operate a fleet of 230 vehicles that includes school buses and motor coaches.

“Today marks the beginning of an exciting new chapter for 417 Bus Line Ltd., one where we will be able to accelerate our mission and help more clients than ever with outstanding service,” president Yvon Laplante said in a statement.

It’s the latest M&A transaction for Roxborough, which has acquired multiple companies since it was founded in 1959. The firm now has more than 820 employees at facilities in Avonmore, Alexandria, Casselman, Clarence Creek, Greely and Madoc and operates nearly 900 buses and vans.
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It seems as though while 417 Bus Line Ltd was primarily a charter coach service which also operated some school buses, Roxborough Bus Lines is primarily a school bus service with only a few motor coaches. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will Roxborough expand its charter coach service or continue to keep its primary focus on school buses?
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FlixBus is entering the Ottawa - Toronto market as of April 7, with daily service from Thursday to Monday:
  • Ottawa - Toronto: Depart at 4:00 PM, arrive at 8:50 PM
  • Toronto - Ottawa: Depart at 9:00 AM, arrive at 1:50 PM
Service will be operated by Gallexy Tours. With both FlixBus and MegaBus in the market, there will now be three daily departures between Ottawa and Toronto from Thursday to Monday.

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FlixBus is set to roll between Ottawa and Toronto.

The Germany-based bus company is expanding into Canada starting April 7, offering service between Ottawa and Toronto, Niagara Falls and Toronto and the Waterloo Region and Toronto.

An express route will run between Ottawa and Toronto Thursday to Monday, with one trip in each direction per day. The bus will run from Ottawa to Toronto's Harbourfront.

Buses are equipped with free Wi-Fi and power outlets are located at each seat.

FlixBus is running a special $4.99 fare until April 6 as part of a promotion. For more information, visit flixbus.com.

Megabus currently operates bus trips from Ottawa to Toronto.
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New bus service to, from Toronto kicks off Thursday

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Publishing date: Apr 07, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 1 minute read




After a delay due to the COVID-19 restrictions, a German-based bus operator begins service Thursday.

FlixBus will operate an express route between Ottawa and Toronto Thursday to Monday, with one trip in each direction per day.

The trip will originate in the ByWard Market, and runs to Toronto’s Harbourfront.

Adult fare is $32.99, although the company is still listing a promotional fare of $4.99 for Saturday.

The company is also introducing a Niagara Falls-Toronto express line that includes a stop in St. Catharines, as well as a more comprehensive local line with stops including Waterloo (University of Waterloo), Kitchener (Downtown), Guelph, Mississauga and Toronto.

FlizBus said the service is the first phase of a planned expansion into the U.S. this summer.

The company began service in the U.S. in 2018 and had long-term plans to expand into Canada, but these were delayed due to the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The company operates the service in conjunction with local partners, Gallexy Tours, a charter tours operator. Buses are equipped with free Wi-Fi and power outlets at each seat.

See Flixbus.ca for more information.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/new-bus-service-to-from-toronto-kicks-off-thursday
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One trip per day?

What was the frequency of the previous services?
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I'm not seeing the routing for the Flixbus. Their Website just shows a straight, dashed, line between the two cities. I assume that the 'Express' service between Ottawa and Toronto is along the 416-401. Anyone know for sure?

Maybe they don't explicitly show the routing so that they can change it if needed.
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At $33 Ottawa Toronto, I don't see how they can make any money, even assuming 40 passengers per trip on avg, that's only $1320 per trip
Not unless they have other revenue streams (cargo, premium services etc..)
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2022, 9:33 PM
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Giant German bus company hits the highway in Canada
FlixBus, which operates in 37 countries, has entered the southern Ontario market with 3 routes

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Posted: Apr 08, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 8 hours ago




FlixBus, a German company that says it's the world's largest-reaching bus provider, launched its Canadian operation this week in Toronto.

"It's a dream bus market for us," said Pierre Gourdain, managing director of FlixBus North America, about rolling into Toronto with three flashy green coaches to start routes in Ontario.

That may sound like encouraging words for bus passengers and transportation advocates who felt abandoned when Greyhound pulled out of Canada in May 2021.

The sleek silver dog had been limping along for years, saying many routes it had licences to operate weren't sustainable before the pandemic stripped to the bone whatever market Greyhound had left.

Experts say the arrival of FlixBus, which operates in 37 countries serving more than 2,500 destinations, is good news for bus customers, but it's not clear if it will help underserved communities and whether private bus operators can create a national bus network without government support.

"Given the catastrophic situation of the industry and the poor level of service we have in the country, that's a really complex question," said Jean-Baptiste Litrico, an associate professor of strategy at the Queen's University Smith School of Business in Kingston, Ont.

In essence, FlixBus is a tech company that partners with local bus companies who own the coaches and hire the drivers.

It provides a ticket app and website, a pricing structure, route planning, and marketing, charging a 25 to 30 per cent commission on sales.

The FlixBus plan is to establish profitable high volume routes between Ottawa and Toronto, Niagara Falls and Toronto and Waterloo and Toronto before developing routes with less demand.

The company is moving into Canada after the nation's largest province opened up its intercity bus industry to competition last summer. Deregulation in Ontario offers FlixBus and other carriers access to routes Greyhound couldn't go after when it was here.

Flix also does research on customer demand and demographics and according to Gourdain, several key factors make Ontario and Quebec a "dream bus market" for the company.

Gourdain said the provinces both have a "crazy high student population" and a lot of foreign students, who are frequent bus customers.

The company also sees potential customers in the roughly 30 per cent of Toronto households that don't own cars, and Gourdain believes their ticket app will appeal to the high number of Canadians who shop online.

This summer FlixBus plans to start cross-border routes into the U.S. from Ontario and B.C. The next priority will be to get a licence for routes in Quebec, where regulation remains a barrier to accessing the market.

The company isn't rushing to create a national network or reach underserved communities, though some smaller destinations may come later.

Gourdain said all bus carriers are struggling to recover from the pandemic, and FlixBus is no different.

"We are still at 50 to 70 per cent, in terms of demand, compared to pre-COVID," he said.

According to the American Bus Association, which tracks the industry in both the U.S. and Canada, almost 24 per cent of bus carriers went under in 2020, and in 2021 revenues were still 62 per cent below 2019 levels.

Gourdain also said the company would likely develop several American markets, like Nashville, Tenn., and St. Louis, Mo., before looking west to Canada's Prairie cities.

"First you start the Tier 1 routes, so be a bit patient with us," said Gourdain.

Several regional carriers have maintained and even tried to expand service over the past few years in different parts of the country.

Saskatchewan-based Rider Express is trying to span a big part of the country.

"We are trying our best to provide national service," said company owner Firat Uray.

After starting out with two large vans for a Regina to Saskatoon route in 2017, Rider Express has grown to 20 buses, with plans to add another five as soon as possible.

Using Rider Express and its partner Ontario Northland, customers can travel all the way from Vancouver to Toronto. It also has a number of routes in the western provinces.

It's not an easy business, he said.

"Some routes we make money, some routes we don't make money and those two routes cover each other," said Uray. "So that's how we operate."

Uray said he doesn't imagine FlixBus will pursue much Prairie business. "I don't think they're going to run those small cities," he said.

However, they will be rivals on the Toronto-Niagara route, which Rider Express is starting as well.

FlixBus also does interline with other bus companies, selling their tickets on its platform. But collaboration alone won't solve the problem of servicing thinly populated areas in such a large country.

In Canada, said Litrico, "it's a problem that we see over and over again, in a number of essential public services, not just transportation."

With FlixBus being valued at more than $3 billion, and having bought Greyhound's U.S. operations last year, it's not asking for government support. Gourdain said help should go to small operators, to create more jobs.

Uray said the government could help with fuel costs for operators in small centres or "by purchasing small vans for the local bus companies" in underserved rural areas.

No matter what the approach, Litrico said governments have to address "how to protect and maintain the level of service that's equitable."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/flixbus-bus-service-ontario-market-1.6412670
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At $33 Ottawa Toronto, I don't see how they can make any money, even assuming 40 passengers per trip on avg, that's only $1320 per trip
Not unless they have other revenue streams (cargo, premium services etc..)
My guess is it’s a bit of a loss leader to attract and build ridership on a new route for them.
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Not sure if this is the correct thread (I didn't see a thread for freight transport in the Ottawa Valley), but I saw this article posted on UT.

The railway to Arnprior, Ont. is a locomotive for economic growth
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Still don't comprehend how a city like Ottawa, with a metro of 1.5M and the capital of our country currently has no intercity bus station.

I know Greyhound pulled out but where are the current bus companies picking up / dropping off? What is it, Megabus and Orleans Express or something?
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Still don't comprehend how a city like Ottawa, with a metro of 1.5M and the capital of our country currently has no intercity bus station.

I know Greyhound pulled out but where are the current bus companies picking up / dropping off? What is it, Megabus and Orleans Express or something?
Megabus to Toronto uses St. Laurent Mall. Ontario Northland to Sudbury and Orleans Express to Montreal use the train station.

Both locations are better than the old bus station in my view.
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We really should build one inter-city bus terminal to simplify operations and make it easier on passengers.

VIA/Tremblay has plenty of space and could create a good intercity hub, but lacks amenities nearby.

St. Laurent, if it comes with a complete rebuild of the bus loop, could work well as the mall would be a good pit-stop before people head to their final destination, but the general area is pretty hostile.

Blair is similar to St. Laurent, with plenty of space to spare, but lacks anything beyond the mall.

I think VIA/Tremblay would be best if it comes with a hotel and retail with food court/food hall development.
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Megabus to Toronto uses St. Laurent Mall. Ontario Northland to Sudbury and Orleans Express to Montreal use the train station.

Both locations are better than the old bus station in my view.
Agree. Connected to LRT and with maybe 6-10 busses a day a station really doesn't make sense.
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