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Old Posted Oct 19, 2021, 1:50 PM
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Hope the reincarnation of Air Georgian succeeds as a stand-alone carrier. In normal times, there’s definitely the tech traffic there to support a 2x daily weekdays, 1x weekends service.
Depending how reasonably priced, might attract some Waterloo students as well that live in the Ottawa area.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2021, 3:11 AM
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After first delaying, Flair have now quietly removed YOW-LAS and YOW-YYZ won't be coming back. All other F8 ex-YOW routes are still there, including Florida. Hopefully they'll give LAS another go at some point. Might have been too early in the recovery to attempt this.

All of Flair's summer 2022 expansion with the 4 new MAXes excludes YOW. However, YOW-Florida is still showing as for sale year-round. In total F8 will serve 9 destinations out of YOW in 2022.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2021, 5:21 PM
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2021, 6:42 PM
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Skies Mag put out an article today with a few updates on Pivot Airlines. It sounds like service to YOW will commence in January - March 2022, with tickets to go on sale within the next 1-2 weeks.

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The new operator expects to launch in the first quarter of 2022 with service from the Region of Waterloo International Airport (YKF) to Montreal and Ottawa. It hopes to add three U.S. destinations once regulatory approval is obtained, said Pivot Airlines CEO Eric Edmondson.
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Tickets are expected to be available for purchase through www.flypivot.com sometime between Oct. 28 and Nov. 5. Although Edmondson said fares are still being fine tuned, he expects a one-way ticket to cost between $179 and $229.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2021, 1:47 AM
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This flight can also serve for uni students at guelph, waterloo,Laurier, western, fanawashae.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2021, 7:25 PM
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Seems like 07/25 is back open now.

Also, I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but with the NHL season back up and running we can finally see some hockey charters besides AC Jetz. I noticed the Stars and Sharks both came in on a 734 and 735 respectively. And the Rangers will be coming in tonight on a Delta 757. With the American teams visiting us again, it will be neat to see some other interesting planes visit YOW.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 1:22 AM
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Airport's outlook 'a lot brighter' after recent passenger gains, official says

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Oct 21, 2021 2:07pm EDT


After passenger volumes plummeted in 2020 and much of 2021, Ottawa airport is seeing a steady ascent in traffic that suggests the aviation industry is starting to climb out of its pandemic-fuelled funk, officials say.

“Things are starting to look a lot brighter,” Krista Kealey, the vice-president of communications at the Ottawa International Airport Authority, said in a recent interview on OBJ’s Behind the Headlines podcast. “There’s a lot of pent-up travel demand.”

Kealey said that while this year’s projected total passenger volume of one million is well below the 5.1 million travellers who used the facility in 2019, the number of people flying in and out of YOW is growing by the month.

About 170,000 passengers passed through the Ottawa airport last month. That’s still only about half of the volume of traffic the facility saw in a typical September before the pandemic, but it’s a big step up from earlier this spring and summer, when passenger volumes in April, May and June were less than 10 per cent of their pre-COVID levels.

Kealey said it appears passengers are getting more comfortable with air travel as vaccination rates continue to rise and more restrictions aimed at curbing the spread of COVID-19 are lifted. She said there’s “a lot of support” for a federal government policy that will require all air travellers to be fully vaccinated as of Oct. 30.

“It’s going to take us some time to get back (to pre-pandemic passenger levels), but at least we’re on the right trajectory towards that,” Kealey said.

In a sign that the industry is gradually recovering, a growing number of airlines have begun resuming service or launching new routes at the Ottawa airport in the past few months.

More than 60 flights are now serving the capital each day, down from about 110 before the pandemic but up substantially from fewer than 20 daily arrivals and departures this spring.

Most recently, Air Canada said it plans to start flying between Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport and Ottawa at the end of the month. Kealey called the announcement a “nice surprise” given that the country’s largest air carrier hasn’t operated a route between Toronto Island and the nation’s capital for 15 years.

“I know business travel isn’t back to where it was, but I know that’s a very important route for Ottawa’s business travellers,” she said.

The boost in traffic is a welcome bit of news for a facility that’s taken a massive financial hit over the past 18 months.

The airport – which relies on improvement fees charged to passengers as well as terminal and landing fees, concession revenues and parking fees for most of its revenues – racked up a net loss of $51.2 million in 2020 and expects to incur an even bigger deficit this year.

In an effort to rein in spending, the airport paused virtually all non-essential capital projects, laid off 18 employees and didn’t fill nearly a dozen other vacancies.

CEO Mark Laroche said this spring the airport authority might need to borrow as much as $100 million to cover this year’s losses, adding it would likely take “several years” for the non-profit facility to restore its full complement of pre-COVID routes and get delayed infrastructure projects back on track

https://www.obj.ca/article/local/tourism...ter-recent-passenger-gains-official-says
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 1:31 AM
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Did Lufthansa end up starting Ottawa? Are the supposed to still?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 12:24 PM
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 12:25 PM
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The blanket travel advisory to not travel has been lifted.

Not sure if that will make any difference. It might if it was affected the ability to get travel insurance. As well, there are a certain number of 'rule followers' (me included) who may be more open to travel now or authorizing staff to travel.

I still won't be traveling, but now I can't complain about my husband heading back on the road for contrived reasons. The three road trips we took in the past 19 months weren't enough to scratch the travel itch. He used to travel 3 - 6 months of the year and by August 2020 had slept in his own bed for the longest stretch of nights in 4 decades.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-travel-international-covid-advisory-1.6220428
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 12:38 PM
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I don’t think it’ll move the needle much for leisure travel. The PCR requirement is still a huge disincentive. $800-$1000 in additional travel costs to take my family of 4 somewhere? No thanks.

It might help biz travel where those extra costs are expensed.
     
     
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I don’t think it’ll move the needle much for leisure travel. The PCR requirement is still a huge disincentive. $800-$1000 in additional travel costs to take my family of 4 somewhere? No thanks.

It might help biz travel where those extra costs are expensed.
The USA is removing the need for a test for entry, and you can easily get free PCR test in the USA for your return trip.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Yeah, good stuff, although the US wasn’t the destination(s) I had in mind when posting.
     
     
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Yeah, good stuff, although the US wasn’t the destination(s) I had in mind when posting.
Even you could get free tests abroad (say in the Caribbean), the risk of testing positive and then being forced to isolate down there for two weeks is enough to keep me away.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 8:18 PM
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The 60 departures a day count is way off. 48 is the high mark since the start of the pandemic.

Today's departure count: 44

WS have loaded YOW-YHZ to resume on 01MAY22...just in time to feed the YHZ international flights. Schedule will initially be 2x daily with 1 DH4 & 1 7M8, increasing back to the traditional summertime 3x on 20MAY22 with a 2nd daily DH4.

WS have also delayed the resumption of RSW & MCO until mid-December. Flair however will be the first transborder ops in over 16 months when YOW-FLL with them starts in a few days on 31OCT21, followed by UA to IAD the following day.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Skies Mag put out an article today with a few updates on Pivot Airlines. It sounds like service to YOW will commence in January - March 2022, with tickets to go on sale within the next 1-2 weeks.
According to Pivot's website, route details coming on October 27th and tickets available for purchase starting Nov. 1st.

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Once it has established itself with a couple of domestic and transborder routes, Edmondson said Pivot will work to establish interline and codeshare agreements. But those plans, of course, are fully contingent upon the demand for business travel returning. If all goes according to plan, plane spotters will see Pivot Airlines taking off from Waterloo airport in early 2022.
Future Porter interline partner perhaps? Would give Pivot easy access to the Atlantic provinces out of YOW and YHZ out of YUL.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2021, 11:49 PM
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The 60 departures a day count is way off. 48 is the high mark since the start of the pandemic.

Today's departure count: 44

WS have loaded YOW-YHZ to resume on 01MAY22...just in time to feed the YHZ international flights. Schedule will initially be 2x daily with 1 DH4 & 1 7M8, increasing back to the traditional summertime 3x on 20MAY22 with a 2nd daily DH4.

WS have also delayed the resumption of RSW & MCO until mid-December. Flair however will be the first transborder ops in over 16 months when YOW-FLL with them starts in a few days on 31OCT21, followed by UA to IAD the following day.
I know airlines have moved away from this model, but I wonder if WestJet would ever consider advertising the YOW-YHZ-LGW(Europe) as a "direct" flight from YOW and keeping the same flight number all the way through. So for example, having WS24 be the flight number on the YOW-YHZ tag as well, and allowing folks to remain on the plane in YHZ. Perhaps just for the summer of 2022 when YOW won't have a "direct" connection to Europe... it could be something WestJet could market locally. It's fairly obvious that the 737 Max 8 that does YOW-YHZ then continues onto one of their European destinations.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2021, 4:26 AM
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I know airlines have moved away from this model, but I wonder if WestJet would ever consider advertising the YOW-YHZ-LGW(Europe) as a "direct" flight from YOW and keeping the same flight number all the way through. So for example, having WS24 be the flight number on the YOW-YHZ tag as well, and allowing folks to remain on the plane in YHZ. Perhaps just for the summer of 2022 when YOW won't have a "direct" connection to Europe... it could be something WestJet could market locally. It's fairly obvious that the 737 Max 8 that does YOW-YHZ then continues onto one of their European destinations.
That would make too much sense! Wonder, if YOW authorities have approached WestJet with that idea? Especially with no news on YOW-LHR resumption anytime soon. I also believe that YOW-YHZ-CDG could work for summer seasonal.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see, how the Covid-19 passenger recovery will unfold the next few months, as well as the restrictions.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2021, 1:18 PM
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I know airlines have moved away from this model, but I wonder if WestJet would ever consider advertising the YOW-YHZ-LGW(Europe) as a "direct" flight from YOW and keeping the same flight number all the way through. So for example, having WS24 be the flight number on the YOW-YHZ tag as well, and allowing folks to remain on the plane in YHZ. Perhaps just for the summer of 2022 when YOW won't have a "direct" connection to Europe... it could be something WestJet could market locally. It's fairly obvious that the 737 Max 8 that does YOW-YHZ then continues onto one of their European destinations.
Would it actually lure passengers though?

I recall Air Canada doing something similar with Toronto-Vancouver-Sydney (AUS) a while ago. They kept the same flight number and aircraft, but advertised it as 'direct' service from Toronto. I'm not sure it actually really mattered to most on the flight. I'm not sure if Air Canada sold tickets for the Toronto-Vancouver segment on it.

Airlines have really moved away from that model for a reason - it's just easier to disembark all passengers at the connection point and reload them when they're headed onto their next destination. No awkward shuffle for people staying on-board versus those getting off. It's probably less confusing for the passenger if the plane only has one destination instead of intermediary stops. Finally, many countries are picky about visitor entrance requirements so intermixing of passengers between domestic and international segments is frowned upon.

It also makes things easier from an operations point-of-view. If the airplane has to be swapped out it is easier to do when it is empty.

The parts I dislike most about airline travel is sitting on an airplane at the gate - if I'm going to be going nowhere, might as well stretch my legs in the terminal.
     
     
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