Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability - Page 6

dreambrother808 · #**101** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by rofina

Right.

And so vigilantes are born. At this rate, its an inevitable outcome.

Actually, it's one person out of several hundred per day. I don't lose sleep over it.

rofina · #**102** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Again, what is the failure? Housing people for 10 years?

That was specifically a reply to;

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If the Temporary Modular buildings are still in the same locations in 10 years there will have been because there have been several policy failures

I'm being facetious, I have so little faith in our civic governance and the outsized political influence of the poverty lobby that I'm confident in saying this wont go as planned.

That is not to say I do not support the Temporary Housing; I do.

rofina · #**103** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Actually, it's one person out of several hundred per day. I don't lose sleep over it.

Good for you. My point stands. Someone will finally get tired of VPD non response and take matter into their own hands.

Logically, if there is no repercussion for constant break/enter and theft, why should there be repercussion for a business owner taking matters into their own hands?

WarrenC12 · #**104** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by rofina

Logically, if there is no repercussion for constant break/enter and theft, why should there be repercussion for a business owner taking matters into their own hands?

I have personal anecdotes of these things happening back in the 90s in East Van. Not much changes.

GenWhy? · #**105** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:09 PM**

Cops respond to crimes after they've happened though. Is the goal just to have them standing on more street corners to patrol and watch over people loitering on sidewalks and hope to catch crime in-action?

WarrenC12 · #**106** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Cops respond to crimes after they've happened though. Is the goal just to have them standing on more street corners to patrol and watch over people loitering on sidewalks and hope to catch crime in-action?

They don't prevent crime that's for sure. I guarantee if they get this repeat offender on camera, the cops will know exactly who it is.

rofina · #**107** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Cops respond to crimes after they've happened though. Is the goal just to have them standing on more street corners to patrol and watch over people loitering on sidewalks and hope to catch crime in-action?

There was proven success and community support when cops upped the foot patrols dramatically.

Of course this was instantly decried by the poverty lobby.

Much more police presence to deter crime in real time would be a start until the situation is brought back to some semblance of order.

rofina · #**108** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I have personal anecdotes of these things happening back in the 90s in East Van. Not much changes.

Which directly speaks to the point I have been making for a couple pages now; we had a 15 year stretch where things got noticeably better YoY. Now were somewhere around year 8 of our regression back to where we came from in the 90's.

GenWhy? · #**109** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 11:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by rofina

There was proven success and community support when cops upped the foot patrols dramatically.

Of course this was instantly decried by the poverty lobby.

Much more police presence to deter crime in real time would be a start until the situation is brought back to some semblance of order.

Ya I'm still waiting for that "housing crisis" to end too.

CanSpice · #**110** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Cops respond to crimes after they've happened though. Is the goal just to have them standing on more street corners to patrol and watch over people loitering on sidewalks and hope to catch crime in-action?

I guess people want Vancouver to become a police state...?

GenWhy? · #**111** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 6:42 PM**

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I guess people want Vancouver to become a police state...?

They won't be willing to swallow the tax increases for that to happen.

rofina · #**112** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 6:57 PM**

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I guess people want Vancouver to become a police state...?

Only 2 possibilities exist; lawlessness or police state.

Right?

There isn't a million miles of nuance between each end of the extreme?

rofina · #**113** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 6:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Ya I'm still waiting for that "housing crisis" to end too.

There is no interest in Vancouver to end the housing crisis. Never has been. Especially on the public side.

officedweller · #**114** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 11:21 PM**

Arrest made after man seen with replica gun near Pacific Centre Mall

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Police say the 54-year-old man who was arrested on Thursday night was actually in possession of a replica handgun.

While replica handguns aren’t quite as deadly as a real gun, they can still cause significant harm, depending on the model.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/man-gun-arrested-pacific-centre-mall

Cypherus · #**115** Posted **Oct 22, 2021, 11:27 PM**

Likely a person who has become "Covid Crazy" and developed mental health issues during the pandemic focused on pessimism and aggression against other people. Nothing more than a charge of public disorder.

Klazu · #**116** Posted **Oct 23, 2021, 4:33 AM**

Decline of public space is also clearly visible in Burnaby. Yesterday I saw in total four homeless people camping outside Metrotown station. Two were doing drugs in plain sight and one proceeded to go inside the station hall to defecate next to the ticketing machines.

As you can guess, they were your typical white junkie scum types that stick out like a sore thumb from Metrotown demographics. People couldn't believe what they were seeing but I wish I could say this was extraordinary.

I hope the trash will find it's way back to Vancouver.

Sheba · #**117** Posted **Oct 23, 2021, 7:12 AM**

Vancouver police seek woman seen throwing hot coffee at Tim Hortons employee in video

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Vancouver police are asking for the public’s help to find a woman who threw hot coffee in the face of an employee at a Tim Hortons on the edge of the Downtown Eastside.

The incident happened around 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Tim Hortons at Pender and Abbott streets.

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The suspect is described as Caucasian, between the ages of 25 and 30 years old, with a medium build and black and green shoulder-length hair.

Anyone who recognizes this woman is asked to contact Vancouver police.

FarmerHaight · #**118** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 4:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Decline of public space is also clearly visible in Burnaby. Yesterday I saw in total four homeless people camping outside Metrotown station. Two were doing drugs in plain sight and one proceeded to go inside the station hall to defecate next to the ticketing machines.

As you can guess, they were your typical white junkie scum types that stick out like a sore thumb from Metrotown demographics. People couldn't believe what they were seeing but I wish I could say this was extraordinary.

I hope the trash will find it's way back to Vancouver.

I live in Metrotown, and the homeless are nothing more than an offense to your senses. I have never been harassed or threatened, nor has my wife, and many of them are just seeking the shelter from the wind and rain that the south side of the station provides. The defecating is new to me, but there was also dog pee (I hope it was at least) in my building's elevator lobby last night so even people with homes don't clean up after themselves. Perhaps you should try empathy instead of calling every homeless person scum or trash.

scryer · #**119** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 4:27 PM**

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Vin · #**120** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 8:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I live in Metrotown, and the homeless are nothing more than an offense to your senses. I have never been harassed or threatened, nor has my wife, and many of them are just seeking the shelter from the wind and rain that the south side of the station provides. The defecating is new to me, but there was also dog pee (I hope it was at least) in my building's elevator lobby last night so even people with homes don't clean up after themselves. Perhaps you should try empathy instead of calling every homeless person scum or trash.

Empathy won't make homelessness and drug addiction go away, and certainly won't help the people affected. Perhaps some law and order will, and because they will help push many to become better people. At least in your building, strata or management can fine those who are a*holes. The street versions can do what they want without facing penalties, at least increasingly so. Perhaps one should instead be more empathetic to those hardworking, law-abiding, tax-paying residents who simply have had enough of the BS.