The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 616

Fischbob · #**12301** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 9:34 PM**

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Presumably the proposal has evolved since it last went for rezoning back in 2018. Here's what was planned then:

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Crowded agenda for tomorrow's PAC meeting. A few highlights:

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- Rezoning of the parcels at 453 Boars Head and 573 Woodward to allow a residential development consisting of 21 semi-detached houses, one 12-unit building and two 24-unit buildings. Site plan below:

cdnguys · #**12302** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 1:28 AM**

Maybe it’s the same proposal as the homes are already permitted under existing zoning.

adamuptownsj · #**12303** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 3:31 PM**

ARC Canada, the 'second fiddle' SMR company, is adding industrial steam generation to its platform and sees potential industrial development, likely at 'a major New Brunswick port', which could really only be Saint John or Belledune. They also mention the potential of ammonia production for international sale.

Paywalled, of course: https://tj.news/telegraphjournal/101689215

I'm not sure if the port lands on the west side are large enough for this kind of thing. Maybe near Canaport or something? IIRC there's a rail RoW through the McAllister Industrial Park.

ColSJ · #**12304** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 4:03 PM**

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IIRC there's a rail RoW through the McAllister Industrial Park.

Yes, there is, you can see it on google maps satellite. It goes all the way down to Applus + which is at the bottom of the big loop in the industrial park. That being said Bayside Drive separates the track and a huge portion of the track is overgrown with trees and I can't imagine the rails themselves are in any good condition. I assume NBSR owns the line? Anyways, upgrades will be a must if that were to be the plan.

adamuptownsj · #**12305** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 PM**

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Yes, there is, you can see it on google maps satellite. It goes all the way down to Applus + which is at the bottom of the big loop in the industrial park. That being said Bayside Drive separates the track and a huge portion of the track is overgrown with trees and I can't imagine the rails themselves are in any good condition. I assume NBSR owns the line? Anyways, upgrades will be a must if that were to be the plan.

Yeah it's super overgrown but the track RoW is far more important than the current condition. It's only a little over a mile from Bayside to Applus, and about 4 miles through nothing at all to Canaport.

Did anything ever come of the ~$6.5M purchase of all the land north and mostly east of Canaport?

cdnguys · #**12306** Posted **Oct 15, 2021, 10:30 PM**

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cdnguys · #**12307** Posted **Oct 15, 2021, 10:40 PM**

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cdnguys · #**12308** Posted **Oct 15, 2021, 11:00 PM**

Public hearings are scheduled for mid-rise residential at 461 Millidge Ave (by Tipsy Tomato) and 1429 Loch Lomand Rd (between Bon Accord and Old Lake Trail).

cdnguys · #**12309** Posted **Oct 15, 2021, 11:06 PM**

My scoresheet shows that there are currently 2,213 apartments under construction or announced (full build outs of projects) as of now. Fundy Quay will most likely push that over 2,500. Saint John has gone from dormant to booming it seems. If you add Grand Bay-Westfield and KV probably another 170 approx

homebody · #**12310** Posted **Oct 16, 2021, 12:49 PM**

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Is this the new plan? I remember it was supposed to be 200 units?

NewIreland · #**12311** Posted **Oct 16, 2021, 6:15 PM**

I heard a rumor that the parking lots behind Loch Lomond Mall are getting developed. Makes sense, considering they're empty, the views of the city are great, and there's great access to the highway and transit routes.

cdnguys · #**12312** Posted **Oct 16, 2021, 7:35 PM**

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I heard a rumor that the parking lots behind Loch Lomond Mall are getting developed. Makes sense, considering they're empty, the views of the city are great, and there's great access to the highway and transit routes.

I drive by it every day and thought what a great place to put up housing !

cdnguys · #**12313** Posted **Oct 16, 2021, 7:37 PM**

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Is this the new plan? I remember it was supposed to be 200 units?

Yes this is proposal coming before PAC. SJ is expected / needs to absorb 25,000 people over next 10 years to keep our workforce from shrinking, and I think developers are modifying their plans to reflect that.

cdnguys · #**12314** Posted **Oct 16, 2021, 11:37 PM**

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cdnguys · #**12315** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 1:05 AM**

Currently Under Construction
88 - Seabird Suites
83 - The Wentworth
80 - Calabria Estates
60 - Shannex Millidgeville
47 - The Wellington
42 - Valley Ranch QPS
32 - Telegraph Square
29 - The Atlantic
28 - Main Street North
24 - Heather Way
24 - Millenium Drive GB-W
15 - Ritchie Building
12 - 134 Taylor Avenue
8 - The Canterbury

Total: 572 units

Announced / coming before PAC:
500 - Technology Drive
300 - East Point
225 - Boars Head Road
216 - Heather Way (9 remaining buildings)
160 - The Landmark
125 - Ethos Ridge
100 - Elmtree Hill QPS
93 - 99 King Street
89 - Arlington Place
56 - Steeple View
16 - Waterloo/Richmond Streets

Total Units: 1,880

Upcoming announcements / rumours / possibilities :
Fundy Quay (most likely over 300 units)
Millidge Ave (PAC in Nov)
Loch Lomond Rd (PAC in Nov)
City Hall building retrofit to mixed use residential
Lot and adjacent lot where 222 will be torn down
Main Street across from LBR
St. Vincent’s retrofit
MacDonald Street / Loch Lomond Place
Former city property Boars Head Rd.

For housing, I only see scattered homes being built in city itself, but large amounts of builds out in Quispamsis. Seems like lower west / Fundy Hts are seeing the most action with approx 100 homes being built / planned for on Rockingstone and Riverview Drives, and Sea St / Woodville Rd area.

Fischbob · #**12316** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 1:39 AM**

Definitely exciting times with all the developments being built and more in the pipeline. Obviously developers have figured out how to turn a profit with the low-to-mid rise apartment typology. One thing I'd like to see a bit more of are developments with ground-oriented units, things like townhouses, stacked towns, duplex/triplex/fourplexes etc. and live-work units, laid out to promote a granular, walkable street network. That elusive "missing middle" of housing typologies that I feel would be good for families with children. Hopefully that is the next evolution in development around here, and ideally it happens before all the available land near frequent transit gets tied up in other things.

One site I'm anxious to hear about is the former Baxter dairy plant in the North End. That property could be redeveloped into an substantial amount of housing and would be a perfect match for the sort of "missing middle" units I mentioned above.

darkharbour · #**12317** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 3:21 PM**

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Is that also an addition to the Indigo/Nakai Spa building? The facade looks quite different in this render and possibly extends further than it does now iirc.

jonny golden · #**12318** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 3:55 PM**

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Is that also an addition to the Indigo/Nakai Spa building? The facade looks quite different in this render and possibly extends further than it does now iirc.

Will the new apartment buildings have underground parking?

cdnguys · #**12319** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 5:44 PM**

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Is that also an addition to the Indigo/Nakai Spa building? The facade looks quite different in this render and possibly extends further than it does now iirc.

Yes this rendering shows an extended building that Nakai is located in

cdnguys · #**12320** Posted **Oct 17, 2021, 5:46 PM**

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Will the new apartment buildings have underground parking?

Yes the renderings on city web site show underground parking in all 3 buildings. If I remember correctly, I think their target are folks that want to live nearby amenities / shopping with transportation links. I can see it being appealing to seniors.