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Old Posted Oct 9, 2021, 7:27 PM
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Mcmahon Stadium with around $100 million in renovations would be better than that atrocity of a fieldhouse proposal from a few years ago. Of course, it's unlikely either will happen. Likely some $40-$50 million dollar reno, maybe less than that, which doesn't really address many of the issues with the current stadium.

Bombers are the best team in the league. We have a dominant O-line and D-line. But we have the worst field goal kicker. In fact, Moncado is probably the worst field goal kicker in Bomber history. He is incapable of nailing anything from beyond 40 unless the ball is set dead centre between the hashmarks. Get rid of him and try Legghio and maybe bring in another kicker. Bombers have nothing to lose.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2021, 7:32 PM
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^ Bombers had Liegghio placekicking earlier this season but they ended up removing him from those duties. The funny thing about that is that he seemed better than Mourtada who has the leg power but always ends up 2 feet outside of the upright. Might as well bring him back at this point.

Kind of surprising that for all the Bombers kicking difficulties that they seldom ever attempt 2 point converts.

This certainly drives home the point as to how much pressure there is on kickers, though. A linebacker blows his assignment and assuming that someone else steps up to cover for him, most fans won't notice. But a kicker's screwups are plainly obvious to everyone. Tough gig!

Anyway, should be interesting tonight with the Stampeders holding on for dear life trying to beat the Riders again. Unlike the Elks who are fading out badly, the Stamps are still on track for the playoffs if they can manage to eke out a few more wins.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2021, 8:53 PM
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Justin Medlock worked out at the goodlife gym i go to at Grant Park, awesome guy great kicker and was always great to talk cfl with at the gym.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2021, 2:28 AM
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What is going on with this Ridder team? Fatardo is gonna have another temper tantrum
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2021, 2:37 AM
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Fartardo is over-rated he always loses to Winnipeg and Calgary i take BC over Riders in west semi final.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2021, 5:23 AM
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Just like esquire said - they need to eke out wins. They certainly did that this evening.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2021, 9:47 AM
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Mcmahon Stadium with around $100 million in renovations would be better than that atrocity of a fieldhouse proposal from a few years ago. Of course, it's unlikely either will happen. Likely some $40-$50 million dollar reno, maybe less than that, which doesn't really address many of the issues with the current stadium.
The only good thing I've ever heard about McMahon is the sightlines. It has lived long past its useful purpose.When building THF they gave some good reasons for not renovating, it's generally better to start from scratch.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2021, 9:55 AM
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Yup. That thing is horrendous. They just need to spruce up McMahon, put new seats in like Edmonton did, reduce capacity with more seating room, and expand the concourses/make more modern. McMahon stadium itself is a great stadium as far as sight lines and.
The fieldhouse was only a proposal there was nothing final about that render, just an idea to solve two problems at the same time. McMahon needs more than new seats to move into the future. Modern stadiums have so many avenues for money making opportunities ie party decks. Even a relatively small stadium like Hamilton was able to coordinate ideas from the latest concepts that they saw at the time in Dallas.
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I don't know what Calgary's solution is but I hope they find it soon. Love the location, but the stadium could be so much better and I think Calgarians are beginning to be put off by it.

Just hope whatever they do, they keep the tailgating.
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People are always so quick to tear down instead of seeing what could be. McMahon just needs the same type of modernization and upgrade that Lambeau Field got. It was a very similar stadium to McMahon before the renovation. Calgary can't support anything as elaborate and large but it can end up with a very good stadium nonetheless..... and deserves far better than what's being proposed.


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Financial rationale for a new Calgary stadium

Hamilton Tiger-Cats trending in the right direction, on the field and in business
The National Post Scott Stinson November 12, 2015

“We all loved Ivor Wynne (Stadium),” he says. “It was a great place to watch a football game. It wasn’t a great place to run a business.”

It’s true of any sport today: old stadiums, whatever their charms, will be replaced in favour of those that can deliver more money to the team’s owners in the form of everyone’s favourite bit of sports-bizspeak, additional revenue streams. Ivor Wynne didn’t have the premium seats that are the spine of any pro-sports funding model, and it didn’t have the modern bells and/or whistles that help sell tickets.

“We are competing with television,” Afenic says. You need to do all you can to improve the in-game experience, he says, so you give fans a reason to leave the comfort of the couch in front of the 50-inch flatscreen.

At Tim Hortons Field, that doesn’t just mean fancy club seats and suites — although Afenic says there is a waiting list for each of those — but also ticket options on the lower end of the scale that appeal to a younger demographic, which, in the East at least, has not been a CFL strength at all. Behind the north end zone in the new stadium is a beer garden-type patio, where tickets are $24, and behind the south end zone are open-air lounge-type seats, with couches and tables and the whole bit. Everything but the bouncer and the velvet rope. The idea was to make the game a destination. In Hamilton, there are, er, opportunities for such things.

The result has been 16 straight sellouts, and a likely 17th on Sunday

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Rationale on building new vs renovating

Mitchell answers questions
Steve Milton Sep 01 2011 theSpec.com

At first blush, it all seems counterintuitive.

How can building new stands on the north side of Ivor Wynne Stadium not cost more than renovating the current ones?

And how can the significantly reduced seating capacity — from the original 25,000 seats to a reported 22,500 — not negatively impact the Hamilton Tiger-Cats’ bottom line?

Those were among the nagging questions after it was revealed last week that plans for the Pan Am Stadium on the current site of Ivor Wynne now call for the entire north stands to be torn down and rebuilt, instead of being refurbished atop the current infrastructure.

“This is absolutely and positively the most cost-efficient and responsible decision,” Ticat president Scott Mitchell answered Wednesday. “This isn’t a good thing, it’s a great thing.”

By agreeing to the reduced seat inventory, the Ticats made a major concession to Infrastructure Ontario to keep construction costs at the original estimate.

And, Mitchell says, potential builders will welcome the idea of constructing the north stands from the ground up, rather than trying to work around existing flaws, many of which are major.

“That’s 100 per cent accurate,” Mitchell said. “This creates cost certainty in the construction phase. You never know what you’re going to find out when you renovate. It might have involved all kinds of (capital) expense that wasn’t anticipated. And this prohibits the city from potentially having to spend tens of millions of dollars in maintenance of the north stands in the next few years.”


Additionally, having renovated north stands with uncomfortable bench seating and the same washroom and concession facilities as in the past would have meant that the Cats, and the city, were going to operate, in effect, two different facilities.

“What was clearly emerging was a have-versus-have-not scenario on the two sides of the stadium,” he said. “And that’s not conducive to effective cost management or a good in-stadium experience.”

And a smaller stadium actually helps dramatically with that. Increasing the demand for tickets because there is a limited supply should translate into more season ticket holders than the current number, estimated to be slightly under 15,000. The Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox have always operated that way because of their old, small stadiums, but in 1990 the Baltimore Orioles became the first professional sports team to deliberately build a new stadium smaller than their old one. That forces fans to buy season’s tickets for fear that they won’t be able to get the tickets for games they really want. Then, weather and the competitive state of the team don’t affect sales as profoundly. The Montreal Alouettes had the same situation with the 20,000-seat Molson Stadium, and sold out every game for years.

The Ticats average between 23,000 and 24,000 spectators per game but about 20 per cent of them enjoy complimentary tickets, significantly lower than the figure from three years ago but still nearly double the industry standard. Tightening up on contra (tickets instead of cash, paid for services) and special group sales will allow the Cats to realize full income from a far greater percentage of the seats.

“So the biggest casualty in the capacity reduction will be those contra deals and big corporate buys,” Mitchell said.

The break-even point for most CFL teams is believed to be about $15 million in total annual income. With recent huge increases in TV viewership, broadcast revenues are expected to double or triple in the next couple of years, taking a big bite out of the $5 million income required beyond ticket sales. While the number of high-rent corporate boxes and club seats slated for the new stadium have not been revealed, there are going to be at least twice as many as there are now, adding more income potential to the Cats’ balance sheet.

“And clearly, we’ll have major increased revenue from concessions and merchandising because of an enhanced stadium experience,” Mitchell says. “It will also be a better experience for our corporate partners.”

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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 12:47 AM
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The bones of mcmahon are good. If they can replace the seats with newer wider ones with backs, renovate the suites, bring capacity down from 35000 to say 30000 and renovate the concourses and washrooms I think you can do that for around 100 million.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 12:52 AM
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The bones of mcmahon are good. If they can replace the seats with newer wider ones with backs, renovate the suites, bring capacity down from 35000 to say 30000 and renovate the concourses and washrooms I think you can do that for around 100 million.
Total waste of money. The North Stand of TD Place in Ottawa was renovated as it was thought its "bones were good" Coming to find out now they're not so good. I wouldn't throw anything more than $20 million at McMahon for refurbishing that should only be temporary.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 12:59 AM
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Calgary's and Alberta's finances are so bad right now they can't afford a new stadium. Unless stamps ownership finances completely with private funds i don't see a new stadium happening. Stamps ownership is rumored to be changing soon so the stadium issue is in Flux at the moment and might be very different next year we will see.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 1:01 AM
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I don't see a new stadium anytime soon or wasting $100 million on McMahon. I thought the owner story was also supposed to be BS
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 1:06 AM
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I haven't heard it refuted and I think the flames who own the stamps want to wait until the covid-19 uncertainty the league faced earlier in the year dies down so franchise values come up a bit to regain some value on the club.they might need to sell the stamps too to get some money back to help finance the flames new arena.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2021, 1:57 AM
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Bombers mortgage deal here in Winnipeg is a 35 year one with CIBC they have to pay 4.5 million a year on it i believe. When the Bombers get Taylor Swift and ACDC concerts they make a good return on it but when covid-19 hit they were decimated without the concerts. They will need some Garth Brooks concerts or something next year to make some good profits back.
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I think in Calgary the best bet is to build something akin to THF or BMO, sized for the market.

Those stadiums aren't sexy. But they have what's needed to run a successful franchise, from a game-day operations perspective.

Renovating older buildings has a cachet, and may be feasible in many cases. But you may start running into issues like the stairways being too narrow, a lack of accessibility for people who have those needs, inadequate bathroom and kitchen infrastructure, and the gradient of the stands unable to accommodate proper "current" seats and legroom. So there's probably not much that can be done aside from a total reconstruction, unless you want to spend big bucks to overcome those issues.

There was originally a plan in Hamilton to rebuild the older south stands (which I believe dated from the late 1950s... '59 maybe?), and gut/renovate the "newer" (1970-ish) north stands. But that would have resulted in a HUGE disparity between the two halves. The gradient of the north stands would have meant nice seats with no legroom, the plumbing meant the restrooms were going to be limited, the concessions couldn't be brought up to snuff...

I think the decision to demolish and rebuild was the correct one. We now have a functional stadium, which can be expanded or adapted if needed. Complaints are about the slow service at concessions, or that they've "run out of this" or "run out of that"... which are more readily fixable. But when it comes to the game, the sightlines are great, the seating is good, and the teams hosting games can offer the variety of options for their guests that brings them the revenue streams they need.

What's not to like about that?
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