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Old Posted Aug 20, 2021, 10:15 PM
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Please clarify this for me locolife. Salt Lake City proper with a population of roughly 200,000 people has approximately 3600 units that have either been recently completed or are actively under construction during the current 2021 cycle. Yet Phoenix proper with a population of 1,620,000 has approx. 5000 completed or under construction during the current cycle? If that's correct Salt Lake City's comparative percentage numbers are truly impressive.
I should further add/ clarify numbers as well.

By my count, Salt Lake City has:

45 projects under construction
  • 5,423 residential units (2,539 of these units are slated to complete this year (in addition to the 955 units already completed this year))
  • 877,400 square feet of office space
  • 76,733+ square feet of retail
  • 972 hotel rooms

104 planned projects (obviously not all will be built or could face some changes before construction)
  • 13,274 residential units
  • 1,447,625 square feet of office space
  • 159,438+ square feet of retail
  • 339 hotel rooms
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2021, 10:38 PM
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Woah, awesome shape. I love the look of this for some reason. I do think it could probably use a mid block pedestrian connection to at least access the little courtyard area but I think it's more necessary to hide the freeway than connect pedestrians to a street with nothing but a wall.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2021, 11:31 PM
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I don't mind the overall look that those apartments are going for but I do take issue with how long it is. It reminds me of a hand saw. Also, those on the top 2 floors will have a great view of I-215.

Edit: Wish it engaged with the Jordan River better as well.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2021, 11:32 PM
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The marketing description on Crexi states:

Size: 332 - 462 Units (5-story, wrap-style complex featuring 65 units per floor)
Density: 99 units per acre
Parking: Approx.​ 336 stalls (If parking is removed you can add another floor of units)
Current Height: Up to 60 feet
Maximum Building Height: 75 feet • Proposed Unit Mix:
Studio: 100 (20 per floor)
1 Bedroom: 140 (28 per floor) • 2 Bedroom: 75 (15 per floor) • 3 Bedroom: 10 (2 per floor)





That has to be one of the more laughable land flips I've seen in a good while. 43k to 65k per door for stacked flats would set a record by 200% in our market. The entire Mark Steel site (15 acres) sold for $11M. We are seeing lots of these silly flip plays right now. Zero percent chance this gets built.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2021, 4:49 AM
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Do you have a link to this? Curious how it was calculated. I'm super familiar with SL and Maricopa counties, by comparison Salt Lake County is tiny at 800ish square miles versus over 9000 in Maricopa but most of this is undeveloped and never will be developed.

I am curious to see the urban area density stats will get updated and how things have changed. In 2010 the Vegas urban area was quite a bit more dense than SLC at 4500 versus about 3700 in SLC and around 3200 in PHX.
I just used the link bob_rulz provided: https://mtgis-portal.geo.census.gov/...ed2b2fd7ff6eb7
Maricopa and Clark counties have much more land area than Salt Lake county. I just found it interesting that it was enough to put is in a different category. Even if it is nothing more than a statistical quark.

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I would like to see the front buildings of the La France apartments - the ones facing 300 South - preserved and rehabilitated. Those are a truly unique look, and they look better maintained than the units behind. If you rehabilitate the street-front units and replace the ones behind that really do just look like tenements I think that could be a great compromise
I agree that this would be a nice compromise if feasible.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2021, 5:13 AM
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Please clarify this for me locolife. Salt Lake City proper with a population of roughly 200,000 people has approximately 3600 units that have either been recently completed or are actively under construction during the current 2021 cycle. Yet Phoenix proper with a population of 1,620,000 has approx. 5000 completed or under construction during the current cycle? If that's correct Salt Lake City's comparative percentage numbers are truly impressive.
Sorry my numbers are not a full city view nor an official count, it’s just a quick list of notable downtown Phoenix projects completed this year or under construction now. The full Phoenix multi-family growth is around 28,000 under construction now. On a percentage basis SLC and PHX are similar and both are growing like crazy.

My point is just the impact 5,000 or so new units makes on downtown pedestrian activity along with added bars, restaurants, etc… I’m loving it.



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Old Posted Aug 21, 2021, 8:11 PM
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Jasmine Apartments (the project has a new name, I just didn't catch what it was), is located at 435 South 400 East. https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Cit...howInspection=
I passed by it a couple months ago and it looked nearly finished. I'll try and go over there sometime soon to check again.


Medina Place Apartments, built by First Step House, is an apartment building meant for people transitioning out of homelessness. It is located at 426 S. 500 East.
Here is some images they posted on Facebook when it was nearing completion back in March:


Thanks Blah. I wasn't aware of the names of these. I am glad to see more housing for the homeless going up - hopefully between the Magnolia and this, and the upcoming Capitol Motel apartments, there will be a noticeable dent in the tent city population downtown, though that's always difficult to tell at a glance.
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2021, 10:04 PM
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Responding to request for picture--We drive up 400 East about once a week. I think the building at 435 S went up fairly quickly and looked like it was completed within past month. It is now called Sola37 and appears to be micro-apartments.
https://www.zillow.com/b/sola37-1b-s...ity-ut-9M2pkw/

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Old Posted Aug 22, 2021, 12:24 AM
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That's because the Greek church has refused to do ANY maintenance on them for decades as an excuse to demolish them. They're still beautiful apartments and a tragedy to lose them.


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Oh please. Y'all being ridiculous.

Let me remind you of the dank and awful buildings you are alleging to be of such high quality design, construction, and social importance.

The whole place is a termite ridden, rotted, garbage pile. Even if the church spent the countless millions of dollars to fully maintain the property (let alone countless millions more to bring it up to earthquake safety) the buildings would still be a bunch of dank, dark, and decrepit alleyways.

I will also remind you, that the whole point of them redeveloping is so that they can afford to better maintain the cathedral itself as well as build a new community center that will actually have social importance.

I will literally hold a party the day those awful things come down.
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2021, 12:27 AM
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What a dystopian hellscape!

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I personally hate it. It looks (to me at least) like a taller version of an ugly motel. I honestly think the planning commission would have problems with the lack of midblock pedestrian access as well. I honestly pray this doesn't get built.

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Old Posted Aug 22, 2021, 12:50 AM
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I am interested how much of Salt Lake's growth downtown masked the overall decline of certain neighborhoods in the city. On its face, SLC should have grown more than 17,980 over the course of the last 20 years. Yet from 2000 to 2020, that's exactly how much the population changed.

Just looking at some downtown Census tracts, it looks like Salt Lake's westside population actually shrank a bit from 2010 to 2020.

Looking at all the Census tracts from Redwood Road to I-15, and 2100 S, north to Davis County, the total westside population went from 52,844 to 52,198.

Now my math might be off a bit on that, as I had to go through each individual tract, but not off enough that it changes the overall point: at best, the westside stayed level - at worst, they actually lost people in the ten years the city grew.

Not a lot. My numbers show a change of just 646. That isn't sizable at all. But it does show growth west of I-15 is almost nonexistent.

My assumption is that SugarHouse saw growth, so, let's take a look here:

Let's start by taking a look at Census Tract 1141. This is a significant portion of central SugarHouse (it's everything east of 700 East, to 2100 East and everything south from 2100 South to I-80). This would include a lot of the development we've seen in downtown SugarHouser.

It went from 2,389 in 2010 to 3,582 in 2020 - so, an increase of 1,193 people.

So, let's move a bit south into 1047. This is an area that borders 900 East to the east, I-80 to the north, 2700 S to the south and all the way up to 2300 East to the east.

It went from 4,774 in 2010 to 4,818 in 2020 - or an increase of 44 people.

Not significant. But that shouldn't surprise, anyone, right? These areas are built and they're not likely to see a level of increase in people due to that fact. It will stay relatively even.

The good news is that it didn't see a decline. Now, I am not going through the rest of the tracts but I do find it interesting that downtown SugarHouse only grew by about 1,200 people in a decade. I would have thought it'd be more than that.
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2021, 5:44 PM
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I think the long linear design works well being up against the freeway like that. I do think they should change the color of the accent color when it bend inwards or maybe at the boxy ends.
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I am interested how much of Salt Lake's growth downtown masked the overall decline of certain neighborhoods in the city. On its face, SLC should have grown more than 17,980 over the course of the last 20 years. Yet from 2000 to 2020, that's exactly how much the population changed.

Just looking at some downtown Census tracts, it looks like Salt Lake's westside population actually shrank a bit from 2010 to 2020.

Looking at all the Census tracts from Redwood Road to I-15, and 2100 S, north to Davis County, the total westside population went from 52,844 to 52,198.

Now my math might be off a bit on that, as I had to go through each individual tract, but not off enough that it changes the overall point: at best, the westside stayed level - at worst, they actually lost people in the ten years the city grew.

Not a lot. My numbers show a change of just 646. That isn't sizable at all. But it does show growth west of I-15 is almost nonexistent.

My assumption is that SugarHouse saw growth, so, let's take a look here:

Let's start by taking a look at Census Tract 1141. This is a significant portion of central SugarHouse (it's everything east of 700 East, to 2100 East and everything south from 2100 South to I-80). This would include a lot of the development we've seen in downtown SugarHouser.

It went from 2,389 in 2010 to 3,582 in 2020 - so, an increase of 1,193 people.

So, let's move a bit south into 1047. This is an area that borders 900 East to the east, I-80 to the north, 2700 S to the south and all the way up to 2300 East to the east.

It went from 4,774 in 2010 to 4,818 in 2020 - or an increase of 44 people.

Not significant. But that shouldn't surprise, anyone, right? These areas are built and they're not likely to see a level of increase in people due to that fact. It will stay relatively even.

The good news is that it didn't see a decline. Now, I am not going through the rest of the tracts but I do find it interesting that downtown SugarHouse only grew by about 1,200 people in a decade. I would have thought it'd be more than that.
I made a post about this a couple of pages back building off of research I did for school, though I am thinking that I made a couple of mistakes, so I do plan to double-check my numbers here when I get a chance

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Old Posted Aug 23, 2021, 2:57 AM
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I made a post about this a couple of pages back building off of research I did for school, though I am thinking that I made a couple of mistakes, so I do plan to double-check my numbers here when I get a chance

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Ah. Interesting. I missed it. Seems like we came to the same conclusion, tho!
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2021, 11:34 AM
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Ah. Interesting. I missed it. Seems like we came to the same conclusion, tho!
No worries, it's hard to keep up with this thread sometimes, especially if you don't come every day.

On another note, I can't recall last time there's been a picture update for it, but 251 S State now has steel rising above street level.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2021, 3:16 PM
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These were taken over the last 2-4 days. I've been slow to upload them.

Brineshore Project (255 State) taken Saturday:




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Fantastic photo update, thank you!
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Thanks for sharing the photos, RC!

Does anyone know if they're planning on covering the concrete siding on Liberty Sky with some kind of paneling? It'd look awful if kept the way it is, but I can't think of why they haven't at least started covering it by now.
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I seem to recall reading someplace that the facade will maintain the plain cement.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2021, 8:11 PM
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New, high-tech beverage canning facility coming to Salt Lake City

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A Salt Lake City startup says it’s looking to upend the beverage canning market and has plans in place to open a sprawling facility on the city’s west side this fall and hire some 400 new employees to make it go.

Vobev general manager Eric Cudnohoske said his company is opening the first all-in-one aluminum canning facility in North America and, when operational, it will accommodate manufacturing cans, labeling, filling and shipping a wide variety of finished products, all under a single roof.

Cudnohoske said the current canned beverage industry is one in which making, filling and shipping cans typically happens in separate processes and sometimes runs through facilities that are widely dispersed. Vobev, he said, will be positioned to disrupt this clunky and inefficient legacy model, saving time and money for clients and reducing the cumulative carbon footprint on the pathway to getting products to market.

“The can and beverage industry has a problem,” Cudnohoske said. “A can could be manufactured on the East Coast, the empty can is shipped across the country to the West Coast to get filled and then somewhere else to get packed. It may then go someplace else to be shipped to the end consumer...Cudnohoske said Vobev sees its market primarily among small to midsize producers but could also function as a canning/distribution point for bigger companies looking to put a portion of their production closer to customers and retailers in the Mountain West and West Coast regions. He said there were many reasons behind the decision to locate the Vobev plant in Utah, but also sees the state’s rising activity in unique and small-scale beverage production as a potential boon for the new facility. And, Cudnohoske said Vobev can help beverage entrepreneurs get their products ready for consumers, and on the way to store shelves, faster than the piecemeal approach...


An innovative new Salt Lake City beverage canning facility is set to open this fall, and operators say they plan to hire 400 new employees to run the facility. Vobev

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