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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Spring Garden to continue to fill in.

http://www.rising.realestate/12-story-329-unit-building-planned-at-5th-and-spring-garden/

It's bonkers that people believe the narrative that Philadelphia is shrinking.

5,000+ units under construction or proposed in Northern Liberties alone.
It's crazy that buildings of this scale are being built in that area but we can't do better than townhomes on Broad at Fitzwater.

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Look out for 1,625,000 when the official counts come out (my prediction, not theirs).
That would be amazing! I hope you are correct.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 1:31 PM
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The PA Supreme Court said in a decision from a few years ago that the PA constitution requires fair districts. The Supreme Court ordered the legislature to quickly come up with a new map for the 2018 Congressional races that met the standards that were laid out (more compact and respectful of municipal and county borders) but the legislature balked so the Court ordered a neutral expert to redraw the lines for the 2018 and 2020 races. The state seats were never touched.

The legislature will certainly not let the Supreme Court draw the lines themselves following the new Census count, but they'll still have to follow the constitutional requirements that weren't in place in 2010. So I'm guessing will see much less state and federal gerrymandered districts as compared to 2010, but still not as neutral as the 2018 Congressional map.
     
     
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Right. Conservatives run the government census bureau. LOL.
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It's not in the interest of Republicans to undercount liberal regions for redistricting?
I believe you missed his low-information sarcasm. He was implying that the census, being a large government program, is eternally run by "liberals."

Like this guy, for example: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-us-news-census-2020-62d81cf59bd6e1fc6d5650a2243fd8d4
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 2:17 PM
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Anyone know when the Census is going to announce the city populations for 2020?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 2:24 PM
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Anyone know when the Census is going to announce the city populations for 2020?
Sometime in the coming weeks. I’ve been checking daily and info has been slow.

Edit: June 17 according to their website.
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It's crazy that buildings of this scale are being built in that area but we can't do better than townhomes on Broad at Fitzwater.



That would be amazing! I hope you are correct.
Why is that? I don't expect every building on S. Broad to be an Arthaus, but the proposal at 5th & Spring Garden would look great along S. Broad.

Maybe there is no actual reason, just the way it is for now?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 3:25 PM
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I'm pretty sure CA has a fair districting commission which was approved by voters and is non-partisan. So the answer in LA is yes.
I don't even understand how all states don't have a fair districting commission.

How is gerrymandering even legal? It's amazing the loopholes we have in elections and etc.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 4:16 PM
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I don't even understand how all states don't have a fair districting commission.

How is gerrymandering even legal? It's amazing the loopholes we have in elections and etc.
People in power want to stay in power. As an example, these were the City Council districts before they reigned in the crazy gerrymandering.

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Sometime in the coming weeks. I’ve been checking daily and info has been slow.

Edit: June 17 according to their website.
That's exciting. I thought it was some time in August.

This is just county level, correct? So it will show us Philly proper....
     
     
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People in power want to stay in power. As an example, these were the City Council districts before they reigned in the crazy gerrymandering.

That's crazy. It's mostly compact with the exception of 5, which of course is Gerrymandered to keep Darryl Clarke in power while maximizing contributions to his campaign (ah hem, Rittenhouse).

I assume 7 was drawn to be the "Latino" district? Seems completely unnecessary given the racial and ethnic composition of the city these days.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 6:40 PM
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That's crazy. It's mostly compact with the exception of 5, which of course is Gerrymandered to keep Darryl Clarke in power while maximizing contributions to his campaign (ah hem, Rittenhouse).

I assume 7 was drawn to be the "Latino" district? Seems completely unnecessary given the racial and ethnic composition of the city these days.
So is this being fixed?
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 6:45 PM
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The Census Bureau.

It says we've lost almost 8,000 people since 2018.

Others on this board have echoed that panic assuming it's correct (it's not).

Look out for 1,625,000 when the official counts come out (my prediction, not theirs).
I'm willing to bet that, even if the 2020 Census finals do show some population loss(I hope this isn't the case), the vast majority of those losses will be from neighborhoods on the extremities of the city. I could see Bustleton, Somerton, West Oak Lane, Cedarbrook, and certain other neighborhoods potentially driving losses--especially as more middle-class black people relocate to the suburbs (I say that as a middle-class black person myself, although I have no intention of leaving the city). On the surface, it appears that the incredible growth being realized in Greater Center City would be strong enough to offset any significant losses. Not only have some neighborhoods been nearly completely rebuilt over time (including my current neighborhood of Francisville), but development is starting to touch neighborhoods I would've never imagined it touching a decade ago, such as Strawberry Mansion, Norris Square, Cobbs Creek, Mantua, Allegheny West, etc.

If this is truly the case, then we may end up in a Chicago-like situation: we would be losing population overall, but adding many more higher-income and educated residents. This would suck, as many of Philly's long-time middle-class residents live in the aforementioned neighborhoods on the extremities, but it also wouldn't be the worst situation in the world.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 6:51 PM
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I'm willing to bet that, even if the 2020 Census finals do show some population loss(I hope this isn't the case), the vast majority of those losses will be from neighborhoods on the extremities of the city. I could see Bustleton, Somerton, West Oak Lane, Cedarbrook, and certain other neighborhoods potentially driving losses--especially as more middle-class black people relocate to the suburbs (I say that as a middle-class black person myself, although I have no intention of leaving the city). On the surface, it appears that the incredible growth being realized in Greater Center City would be strong enough to offset any significant losses. Not only have some neighborhoods been nearly completely rebuilt over time (including my current neighborhood of Francisville), but development is starting to touch neighborhoods I would've never imagined it touching a decade ago, such as Strawberry Mansion, Norris Square, Cobbs Creek, Mantua, Allegheny West, etc.

If this is truly the case, then we may end up in a Chicago-like situation: we would be losing population overall, but adding many more higher-income and educated residents. This would suck, as many of Philly's long-time middle-class residents live in the aforementioned neighborhoods on the extremities, but it also wouldn't be the worst situation in the world.
We definitely had a net gain. All of the other metrics (voter registration, workforce statistics, etc) point to, at the very least, a small gain. I’m thinking we definitely break 1.6 mil.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2021, 7:33 PM
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So is this being fixed?
It's better. Can't say it's really fixed.

https://philacitycouncil.maps.arcgis.com...l?appid=5aa8ce86ed1a45c99c2c751bd9ebcc06
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We definitely had a net gain. All of the other metrics (voter registration, workforce statistics, etc) point to, at the very least, a small gain. I’m thinking we definitely break 1.6 mil.
This.

I recall the City Commissioner's office releasing statistics on voter registration, stating something like we had more people registered to vote in Philadelphia than at any time in the past 50 or so years.

When I looked at the last time we had so many voters, it correlated with over 1.6 million people.

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I'm willing to bet that, even if the 2020 Census finals do show some population loss(I hope this isn't the case), the vast majority of those losses will be from neighborhoods on the extremities of the city. I could see Bustleton, Somerton, West Oak Lane, Cedarbrook, and certain other neighborhoods potentially driving losses--especially as more middle-class black people relocate to the suburbs (I say that as a middle-class black person myself, although I have no intention of leaving the city). On the surface, it appears that the incredible growth being realized in Greater Center City would be strong enough to offset any significant losses. Not only have some neighborhoods been nearly completely rebuilt over time (including my current neighborhood of Francisville), but development is starting to touch neighborhoods I would've never imagined it touching a decade ago, such as Strawberry Mansion, Norris Square, Cobbs Creek, Mantua, Allegheny West, etc.
I don't disagree that this is possible or maybe even potentially likely, but our eyes just say otherwise. There's development EVERYWHERE.

Even in NW Philly there's development throughout Germantown, East Falls, Roxborough, Manayunk, etc. These places were sleepy in past decades.

On top of that, renovated houses are selling for $300K plus in places as unlikely as Cedarbrook, Cobbs Creek, Overbrook, Wynnefield, etc.

For sure, it's possible that perhaps the average family size is decreasing in these neighborhoods, but there's just so much movement inbound.

The only places I can think of that might be shrinking still would be Eastwick, Cedarbrook, Somerton, Rhawnhurst, The Oak Lanes, Olney. In otherwords, the most suburban parts of the city without a meaningful immigrant influx.

One could have said Mayfair might be on this list 10 years ago, but no way given how many Chinese are moving there from NYC. Mayfair Elementary school is literally bursting at the seams. I think its at 2-3 times its maximum enrollment. It's starting to spill over to Rhawnhurt and even Tacony.

If you were to mark up a map of the city of places that are potentially shrinking, it would be no more than 20% of the city's land area.
     
     
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That's crazy. It's mostly compact with the exception of 5, which of course is Gerrymandered to keep Darryl Clarke in power while maximizing contributions to his campaign (ah hem, Rittenhouse).

I assume 7 was drawn to be the "Latino" district? Seems completely unnecessary given the racial and ethnic composition of the city these days.
Thats interesting, 5 & 7 are defiantly gerrymandered, and the rest of the districts look pretty good. but in the new council map you linked it seems they fixed 5 & 7 with the exception of 5 having Rittenhouse still, which you know they aren't going to give up.
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Thats interesting, 5 & 7 are defiantly gerrymandered, and the rest of the districts look pretty good. but in the new council map you linked it seems they fixed 5 & 7 with the exception of 5 having Rittenhouse still, which you know they aren't going to give up.
District 2 crossing Broad and picking up all the low income housing in Hawthorne is another strange one.
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District 2 crossing Broad and picking up all the low income housing in Hawthorne is another strange one.
District two is Kenyetta's District right? Is still on council after the charges?

Philly Map isn't as bad as some other states I've seen, my god do they go above and beyond to stay in power.
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Which counties in PA do we expect the most growth? Growth via total number and total %.

Also looks like PA is widening the population gap bigtime with Illinois.

When are income / demographic stats released? I am interested to see if Chester County breaks top 25 wealthiest counties again. Is always flirts with that ~25th spot.
     
     
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