PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[EastSideHBG]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I think that this height limit is very dumb. I am no aviation expert, and I can see why they’d want to limit heights on parcels like 1101 Walnut or even the 12 and Sansom proposal. However, limiting the height of 204 S 12th is complete overkill in my opinion, especially when Penn’s helipad is much closer to a building of similar height (the new patient pavilion). The 12th street proposal is over 700 ft away as the crow flies. Penn’s Pavilion is less than 200 away from their helipad.

Hard to say but it could be that area may have a crosswind issue and taller buildings could add to the problem and/or there may be one/only a few flight paths allowed through there so may be taking that into consideration.

[3rd&Brown]

Spring Garden to continue to fill in.

http://www.rising.realestate/12-story-329-unit-building-planned-at-5th-and-spring-garden/

It's bonkers that people believe the narrative that Philadelphia is shrinking.

5,000+ units under construction or proposed in Northern Liberties alone.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Spring Garden to continue to fill in.

http://www.rising.realestate/12-story-329-unit-building-planned-at-5th-and-spring-garden/

It's bonkers that people believe the narrative that Philadelphia is shrinking.

5,000+ units under construction or proposed in Northern Liberties alone.

It actually counts as a highrise! I’ll make the thread.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

It's bonkers that people believe the narrative that Philadelphia is shrinking.

Huh? Who said that? Philadelphia has been growing since at least 2008. It's not booming like some southern and western cities, but it's definitely growing... no doubt about that...

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I especially when Penn’s helipad is much closer to a building of similar height (the new patient pavilion)

Like someone else said, it could have to do with the way they come in, either slowly as they come in, or straight down. Penn isn't in a residential area, and I've been near a landing chopper there many times and their approach is incredibly loud.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Huh? Who said that?

The Census Bureau.

It says we've lost almost 8,000 people since 2018.

Others on this board have echoed that panic assuming it's correct (it's not).

Look out for 1,625,000 when the official counts come out (my prediction, not theirs).

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

The Census Bureau.

It says we've lost almost 8,000 people since 2018.

Others on this board have echoed that panic assuming it's correct (it's not).

Look out for 1,625,000 when the official counts come out (my prediction, not theirs).

They’ve been “predicting” a loss for us every non-census year since 1991. And they’ve been wrong every 10 years.

[summersm343]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

The Census Bureau.

It says we've lost almost 8,000 people since 2018.

Others on this board have echoed that panic assuming it's correct (it's not).

Look out for 1,625,000 when the official counts come out (my prediction, not theirs).

They're just estimates, not the actual census counts as you said.

Also, the estimates showed a growth from 2018 to 2019, and then a "decline" from 2019 to 2020. Which is really just an estimate correction, and not a "decline." The annual estimates are just that.... estimates.

However, the actual census population count for PA in 2020 was something like 200K more than the population estimates for the state.... soooo yeah,... guess what areas are growing in PA? I'll give you a hint, it's not Jefferson County. The census has been undercounting PA for a decade. Expect Philly metro counties (including the city), the Lehigh Valley, Lancaster County, Harrisburg metro and Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) to show population growth.

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Honestly I'm a bit worried about the accuracy of the census because of COVID, and in particular if they'll be able to correct for students. I imagine many students (at least freshmen and other dorm students) will have listed their parents' house, and we have thousands of students. Hopefully they contacted the universities to cover the dorms. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by summersm343

They're just estimates, not the actual census counts as you said.

Also, the estimates showed a growth from 2018 to 2019, and then a "decline" from 2019 to 2020. Which is really just an estimate correction, and not a "decline." The annual estimates are just that.... estimates.

However, the actual census population count for PA in 2020 was something like 200K more than the population estimates for the state.... soooo yeah,... guess what areas are growing in PA? I'll give you a hint, it's not Jefferson County. The census has been undercounting PA for a decade. Expect Philly metro counties (including the city), the Lehigh Valley, Lancaster County, Harrisburg metro and Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) to show population growth.

I'm aware of all of this and aligned. Doesn't prevent the census bureau from publishing much more accurate information about other regions.

I'm gonna put my conspiracy theory hat on and say it's a deliberate effort of conservatives to undercut the narrative of and funding for major liberal cities.

Even if the count gets "corrected" once every ten years, the day to day chatter is driven by these interim releases and that in turn drives the narrative around our momentum generally.

How many smaller Amazons are out there that bypass us for consideration for an office because their perception, cemented by the federal government's population numbers, is one of decline?

They can all f off. (And we should be better and more coordinated about pushing back on this narrative).

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I'm gonna put my conspiracy theory hat on and say it's a deliberate effort of conservatives to undercut the narrative of and funding for major liberal cities.

Right. Conservatives run the government census bureau. LOL.

[Busy Bee]

To be fair, if the courts had not ruled against the Republican's inserting a citizenship question into the Census, they would have gotten away with it and it likely would have led to a not insignificant undercount in urban areas. And yes, as if it needs to be said, the single and lone intention would have been to increase GOP power at the expense of Democratic voting districts in urban and suburban areas. That's sort of self-evident. And when they're not busy crafting bills like that they're usually clubbing baby seals and sucking the essence out of human souls.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by skyhigh07

Right. Conservatives run the government census bureau. LOL.

It's not in the interest of Republicans to undercount liberal regions for redistricting?

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

I'm aware of all of this and aligned. Doesn't prevent the census bureau from publishing much more accurate information about other regions.

I'm gonna put my conspiracy theory hat on and say it's a deliberate effort of conservatives to undercut the narrative of and funding for major liberal cities.

Even if the count gets "corrected" once every ten years, the day to day chatter is driven by these interim releases and that in turn drives the narrative around our momentum generally.

How many smaller Amazons are out there that bypass us for consideration for an office because their perception, cemented by the federal government's population numbers, is one of decline?

They can all f off. (And we should be better and more coordinated about pushing back on this narrative).

Does NY & LA have less GOP gerrymandering & corruption compared to Philly?

Is this because Harrisburg continues to F&^k us over?

[GtownFriend]

Foundation work under way on 1800 Callowhill lot.

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Philadelphia: Day Three #31 by Keith Michael, on Flickr[/IMG]

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

Does NY & LA have less GOP gerrymandering & corruption compared to Philly?

Is this because Harrisburg continues to F&^k us over?

I'm pretty sure CA has a fair districting commission which was approved by voters and is non-partisan. So the answer in LA is yes.

[mcgrath618]

Whatever happened to the PA redistricting that was supposed to happen after we were found to be gerrymandered?

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Whatever happened to the PA redistricting that was supposed to happen after we were found to be gerrymandered?

We were re-districted by a non-partisan commission vis a vis a court order from the PA Supreme Court. It's one of the reasons dems picked up seats in the 2018 mid-terms in the House.

However, it's a forever battle since we don't have laws mandating non-partisan redistricting as a matter of course.

Expect it to blow up once again after the county level census results are released. There are counties in Western and Northwestern PA set to show a loss of 5-10% of their population while many counties in PA south and east of 81 will show 5-10% increases.

The population of the state continues to shift dramatically toward the south and east.

In the State House and Senate, in theory, Republicans could lose a lot of power if they don't gerrymander to hold on to those seats.

[SEFTA]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

We were re-districted by a non-partisan commission vis a vis a court order from the PA Supreme Court. It's one of the reasons dems picked up seats in the 2018 mid-terms in the House.

However, it's a forever battle since we don't have laws mandating non-partisan redistricting as a matter of course.

Expect it to blow up once again after the county level census results are released. There are counties in Western and Northwestern PA set to show a loss of 5-10% of their population while many counties in PA south and east of 81 will show 5-10% increases.

The population of the state continues to shift dramatically toward the south and east.

In the State House and Senate, in theory, Republicans could lose a lot of power if they don't gerrymander to hold on to those seats.

They can't win with out cheating

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

Whatever happened to the PA redistricting that was supposed to happen after we were found to be gerrymandered?

I tend to stray away from talking politics on here (even though I share the same beliefs as most of you), but congressional leaders in Harrisburg (aka Jake Corman) are refusing to bring the bi-partisan SB 222 to the floor for a vote. Time is about to expire and the maps will be once again written by the GOP in Harrisburg (which of course got tossed last decade for being ruled unconstitutional). It's a disgusting betrayal of our faith in public servants.

Call A PA Senator: Pass Redistricting Reform for Real Election Integrity