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Old Posted May 27, 2021, 8:37 PM
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That's a huge range
As in from "corrupt and useless" to just "corrupt."
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2021, 3:10 PM
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Long long time ago (but I was made aware weeks ago)
https://web.archive.org/web/201005311930...s+SkyTrain+derailment/3084244/story.html

In any case, the situation in Malaysia is a gongshow - I think you can find it online but TLDR the CEO of the "LRT" got ousted after a *very* sarcastic and unapologetic TV interview.
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That aside, here is the Transit Service Performance Review for 2020.

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...0-transit-service-performance-review.pdf
Keep in mind that mechanical damage (for any reason) can occur on any system, but it's more typical of manually driven systems because drivers tend to over-apply brakes because they are used to driving cars with rubber tires that have shorter stopping distance.

For example
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...e-disrupts-service-in-richmond-1.2880529

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/major-delays-on-canada-line-due-to-fire

https://www.straight.com/news/456356/bir...in-shutdown-and-stranding-tens-thousands

All of these fires point to damage/debris in the guideway, not the cars themselves, not the signaling system. And really there are improvements that could be retro-fitted to the trains to even solve this. For example with recent automated-driving car tech, putting depth cameras at the guide-way level on the trains (probably a cost of $1000 per train, as cameras are about $400 ea) and some machine learning to know what the "guideway" is supposed to look like could allow the skytrain to identify when there are track intrusions, and debris on the track. Skytrain control would then be sent images when it detects debris and automatically stop if the object is large enough to need identification.
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2021, 7:32 PM
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If the manually driven train is tracked by the system then even if procedures and manual route protections are omitted by Control, the system will still emergency brake automatic trains that get too close.

The most dangerous situation is an untracked train, which does occur sometimes and it is critical the property manual protection is input to protect the manual train movements along with procedures for manual moves (eg a clearance)

Rules apply and procedures dictate that here and presumably there too; I think it is likely human error in that process that resulted in the incident.
You gotta dig pretty far into the archives (it was in The Province and I stumbled on it by accident when I had access to the university microfiche so even from memory it's been a while) to find a collision but yes during commissioning a train operating in manual was deleted out of the system and the computer rolled a train in Auto into the back of it as it saw the block as empty.

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All of these fires point to damage/debris in the guideway, not the cars themselves, not the signaling system. And really there are improvements that could be retro-fitted to the trains to even solve this. For example with recent automated-driving car tech, putting depth cameras at the guide-way level on the trains (probably a cost of $1000 per train, as cameras are about $400 ea) and some machine learning to know what the "guideway" is supposed to look like could allow the skytrain to identify when there are track intrusions, and debris on the track. Skytrain control would then be sent images when it detects debris and automatically stop if the object is large enough to need identification.
There was an incident in either 85 or 86 where a signpost was thrown onto the tracks, which for a while caused something similar to a cow catcher being installed on the trains but that was removed at some point. There was also that incident a few years ago where a length of rail left on the track by maintenance rattled into the path of a collector and bent it like a pretzel.
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2021, 11:47 PM
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You gotta dig pretty far into the archives (it was in The Province and I stumbled on it by accident when I had access to the university microfiche so even from memory it's been a while) to find a collision but yes during commissioning a train operating in manual was deleted out of the system and the computer rolled a train in Auto into the back of it as it saw the block as empty.
I'm surprised that there isn't a failsafe way to determine if there's a train occupying a track section, something like how CTC-controlled heavy rail block sections are able to detect trains because they bridge a circuit between the two tracks.

You'd think, for example, that the communications loops would be able to detect the presence of a train...
     
     
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Old Posted May 29, 2021, 12:49 AM
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You have to dig into Toronto's archives to find that the ATC software still had bugs in 1985. Scarborough's computer had a problem with trains invisibly appearing and setting off the e-brakes without warning on any other train that entered the block. Because their trains are manned and eyes are better than computers there's a procedure that allows operators to bypass the computer in the event of a phantom train and prevent a service disruption. Needless to say they also had a collision around the same time where the control room lost track of a train and another while overridden rolled in to take its block.

The general agreement is that we're glad Scarborough opened first because they were the source of many bug fixes before we entered revenue service.
     
     
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Here's a great video on the SkyTrain:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJOZesJmjE
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 7:13 AM
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Translink service changes for this coming Summer:
https://www.translink.ca/schedules-and-maps/service-changes
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Lonsdale quay loop is set to undergo construction *again*. Word I have for now is it was discovered that the wrong sand was put under the pavement.

https://www.translink.ca/alerts R2 is among the first to be relocated.
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Looks like New West Stn is getting some sort of platform extension.

https://service.ariba.com/Discovery.aw/124996033/aw?awh=r&awssk=Q_XUXq7w&awrdt=1#b0

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Translink service changes for this coming Summer:
https://www.translink.ca/schedules-and-maps/service-changes
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Lonsdale quay loop is set to undergo construction *again*. Word I have for now is it was discovered that the wrong sand was put under the pavement.

https://www.translink.ca/alerts R2 is among the first to be relocated.
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Looks like New West Stn is getting some sort of platform extension.

https://service.ariba.com/Discovery.aw/124996033/aw?awh=r&awssk=Q_XUXq7w&awrdt=1#b0
Sounds like the planned upgrades for the Columbia Station?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 4:10 PM
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Looks like New West Stn is getting some sort of platform extension.

https://service.ariba.com/Discovery.aw/124996033/aw?awh=r&awssk=Q_XUXq7w&awrdt=1#b0
The link doesn’t work for me, do I need to have an account?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 4:23 PM
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211 running every 20 minutes on weekends (midday)!
We're talking about 10-minute frequency between Downtown and Phibbs here (as 210 already comes every 20 minutes on midday Saturdays).
     
     
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Bottom of this page:

https://service.ariba.com/Discovery.aw/ad/profile?key=translink

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Through this Request for Proposal (RFP), TransLink seeks proposals from potential contractors for the conceptual design development services specific to the New Westminster station outbound platform extension Services for a Conceptual Design Development (“Phase 1”) as part of the SkyTrain Station Access and Safety Project (SASP) (the “Project”).
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 6:36 PM
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My apologies, it's a bit difficult when the site isn't mobile friendly.

In any case, here is the final report of the Kuala Lumpur incident along with reccommendations to implement in the long term.

https://www.mot.gov.my/en/Announcement/P...%20COLLISION%20REPORT%20-%2010062021.pdf
     
     
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Any world/hope that Translink will bring Compass card to Apple Wallet so we can use our compass card on our watches?

Also HandyDart will require a second Compass card, why? My compass card supports a balance.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 7:57 PM
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My apologies, it's a bit difficult when the site isn't mobile friendly.

In any case, here is the final report of the Kuala Lumpur incident along with reccommendations to implement in the long term.

https://www.mot.gov.my/en/Announcement/P...%20COLLISION%20REPORT%20-%2010062021.pdf
The report seems pretty clear on the sequence of events and that the cause of the actual collision of the two trains was human error, both on the part of train 40 and the staff at the OMC.

How I read this is that due to safety steps being missed in the manual driving process, the driver of train 40 activated the train in the wrong direction (backwards) while simultaneously, the OMC lifted an MRR (manual route reservation) that would have held train 81 at KLCC station. The end result is a perfect storm, as train 40's driver was reversing the train from the console on the other side (and thus had no way of even spotting the oncoming train 81), train 81 was blind to the oncoming train 40 because of the OMC's deliberate lifting of the MRR, and the OMC was blind to train 40's position because it was not on the map and they had simply assumed that train 40's driver had moved the train in the right direction.

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That said, the manual driving of train 40 in the first place was triggered by both the failure of the main VOBC (vehicle onboard computer) as well as a backup VOBC (interesting that their trains actually have a backup?). From what I read the procedure the driver had to follow was to drive to a side track, where he could perform troubleshooting and perform the reboot of the train whilst mainline service continued uninterrupted. This is actually better than how we used to handle train time-outs (like in the 2014 ATC meltdowns, when the system essentially remained completely down until all of the timed-out trains could be rebooted on the mainline).

At any rate what I also see is that the KJL does not have an auto-restart system for their trains (which we also did not have when our SkyTrain went through the 2014 ATC meltdowns, resulting in the recommendation to have one installed). While the 23 recommendations are mostly procedural and won't necessarily directly lead to the installation of one, recommendation 21 might lead them to looking into it.

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Anyway I want to add, but there is an eerie similarity between the KL incident and an incident on the Toronto subway system that I read about, in which a train being driven in manual from a tail track nearly collided with another in-service train using the newly installed ATC. The lessons from both incidents are that you have to be extremely careful when mixing automatic operation and manual driving (or avoid it altogether).

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Video captures moment two TTC subway trains narrowly avoided collision last year

A new video is shining light on just how close two TTC subway trains came to colliding in a near-miss incident that could have had a disastrous outcome.

In video of the incident obtained by CTV News Toronto, the view from the camera at the front of one train shows it coming to a stop just before another train zooms by on the track that the first train was about to merge onto.

One of the trains had been southbound at Osgoode station, but had been ordered to turn around in order to provide supplementary northbound service. At that point, the operator switched from automatic to manual control in order to navigate a section of railway used to connect to the northbound track.

The operator did not see the other train approaching from behind, but slammed on the brakes after being notified by a guard stationed at the rear of the train.

According to the TTC, the two trains may have come less than a metre apart during the incident.

While the TTC’s Automatic Train Control system is meant to monitor the position of trains at all times, the system was blind to the one vehicle when it switched to manual control.

TTC spokesperson Stuart Green said the driver missed a red signal that told him to stop.

https://www.cp24.com/news/video-captures...ly-avoided-collision-last-year-1.5460474

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The new SeaBus is ready for sea trials.

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The latest addition to TransLink’s SeaBus fleet is on the water today, just a couple years behind schedule.

MV Burrard Chinook is on the inlet for sea trials, the next step in the process before it can go into service.

“We're very excited for the launch of Burrard Chinook,” said Dan Mountain, TransLink spokesman. “We still have to get Transport Canada official verification but we do expect it to be in service by the end of the summer.”

On the water, the Chinook’s captains will be testing its speed, emergency stops, turning and docking.

“Everything seems OK. We expect it to go fine. We just have to do a follow-up process,” Mountain said.

TransLink ordered the new SeaBus in 2017 to support 10-minute sailings during rush hour but it has been hampered by delays and a global pandemic.

When it arrived from Dutch firm Damen Shipyards Group in the summer of 2019, engineers determined the vessel was not seaworthy. The Chinook sat several inches lower in the water than the rest of the fleet, which would make docking difficult and could prove dangerous in choppy water. They attributed the problem to excess weight added when TransLink modified the design to include air conditioning and a more sophisticated emissions control system.

To remedy the problem, they had to install larger bulbous bows, making the SeaBus more buoyant. At the time, they hoped to have the Chinook in service by summer 2020 but the order for the parts from Singapore took more than a year when COVID-19 shut down operations overseas.

Despite the massive delays, re-engineering and construction, TransLink won’t be under water financially, Mountain said.

“We've been in a lot of contract talks with Damen Shipyards, but after everything, it's still coming in under the original budget of $29 million,” he said.

The Chinook made the trip to Lonsdale Quay terminal from the Point Hope Maritime Shipyard in Victoria on its own power on Tuesday.

As for when 10-minute rush-hour sailings will return, it will depend on ridership, Mountain said.

Across TransLink as a whole, boardings are about 40 per cent of what they were in May 2019, prior to the pandemic. SeaBus traffic specifically is still around 30 per cent of May 2019 volumes, which is likely due to it serving mainly downtown office commuters.

“Our projections predict an overall system-wide rebound between 70 and 90 per cent at some point next year,” Mountain said. “It will be based on demand, of course.”
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/new-seabus-hits-the-water-for-sea-trials-3863194
     
     
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https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...une/2021_06_17_public_meeting_agenda.pdf

These are the minutes for the translink AGM

Focus: handydart modernization, fare increases

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Work is underway to secure a new location for the displaced HandyDART vehicles. Currently, HandyDART is scheduled to vacate the North Road location effective December 31, 2021.
When I did a flyby today, all other tenants have left and there is a blue fence surrounding the property.
     
     
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Monthly pass pricing in Metro Vancouver continues to be a joke. There is barely, if any, cost saving to choosing a pass over stored value pay-per-trip, even if you're a regular commuter. Basically it's only worthwhile if you're a serial transit user who makes multiple trips a day over multiple zones, including use on weekends.

TransLink either needs to fix this or at least offer some sort of middle ground, like bringing back a FareSaver equivalent for stored value trips.

If 3-zone passes are $181 and it'll be $4.60 for a single, one-way trip, you would have to use your pass at least 40 times a month to make the price worthwhile. If a commuter makes two trips a day and works full time, that's basically break-even. Passes should incentivize transit use. Why would anyone lay out nearly $200 each month if it didn't actually have a benefit?
     
     
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Monthly pass pricing in Metro Vancouver continues to be a joke. There is barely, if any, cost saving to choosing a pass over stored value pay-per-trip, even if you're a regular commuter. ... TransLink either needs to fix this or at least offer some sort of middle ground, like bringing back a FareSaver equivalent for stored value trips.
Be careful of what you wish for. Translink likely has little flexibility to lower the price of passes, which I suspect account for most of their revenue. The only way to make passes more attractive may be to raise single-fare prices.
     
     
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