PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread X - Page 139

Aaamazarite · #**2761** Posted **May 24, 2021, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Well it's a part of the original Northern Liberties (township) and is in the Northern Liberties RCO.

Yup-- this was always part of Northern Liberties. Northern Liberties technically has a southern border at Vine Street, hence why the Northern Liberties National Bank is at 3rd and Vine.

ok-ez · #**2762** Posted **May 24, 2021, 1:39 PM**

417-25 Callowhill St. - CMX3 - Neil Sklaroff - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for a structure with 220 residential units at 7 stories (100 feet), no commercial, 70 parking spaces
Click here to register for the MONDAY MAY 24 Meeting.

Tuesday, May 25 at 6:30pm
2nd & Spring Garden - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for 355 residential units, 149’ (14 stories) 105 parking spaces

412 N. 2nd St. - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for 397 residential units, 244’ (23 stories) 106 parking spaces
Click here to register for the TUESDAY MAY 25 Meeting

mcgrath618 · #**2763** Posted **May 24, 2021, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by ok-ez

417-25 Callowhill St. - CMX3 - Neil Sklaroff - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for a structure with 220 residential units at 7 stories (100 feet), no commercial, 70 parking spaces
Click here to register for the MONDAY MAY 24 Meeting.

Tuesday, May 25 at 6:30pm
2nd & Spring Garden - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for 355 residential units, 149’ (14 stories) 105 parking spaces

412 N. 2nd St. - CDR - Zoning approved - A proposal for 397 residential units, 244’ (23 stories) 106 parking spaces
Click here to register for the TUESDAY MAY 25 Meeting

Wow. That was quick.

Really happy that National Development is the one behind this. The design of East Market is superb. We can know that these aren’t going to be two JKRP shitcubes.

summersm343 · #**2764** Posted **May 24, 2021, 3:23 PM**

This is big stuff! Glad to see this area finally starting to grow up and realize it's potential

summersm343 · #**2765** Posted **May 24, 2021, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Well it's a part of the original Northern Liberties (township) and is in the Northern Liberties RCO.

That's fine, but it really is a different area/neighborhood. Times change. Just like Fishtown, East Kensington and Olde Kensington are all "Kensington" historically, they've broken off into separate neighborhoods. NoLibs should continue to be Girard to Spring Garden, Front St/I-95 to 5th Street or 6th Street.

This area should be branded SoNo (for Southern Northern Liberties). It'll really feel like a completely separate neighborhood/area, and Spring Garden Street does act as a neighborhood separator without a doubt in my mind.

KDD · #**2766** Posted **May 24, 2021, 3:41 PM**

It's all the realtors' fault. My favorite was a friend of mine wanted to look at a house around 17th and Tasker. The agent called back to confirm an appointment to view a house in "Rittenhouse South"...

3rd&Brown · #**2767** Posted **May 24, 2021, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

That's fine, but it really is a different area/neighborhood. Times change. Just like Fishtown, East Kensington and Olde Kensington are all "Kensington" historically, they've broken off into separate neighborhoods. NoLibs should continue to be Girard to Spring Garden, Front St/I-95 to 5th Street or 6th Street.

This area should be branded SoNo (for Southern Northern Liberties). It'll really feel like a completely separate neighborhood/area, and Spring Garden Street does act as a neighborhood separator without a doubt in my mind.

Ok! It's all settled then!

Sometimes neighborhoods merge as well.

Olde Richmond used to be a thing (Fishtown above York Street) and now it's just Fishtown. The remaining bits of Olde Richmond that are behind Wawa are what most people today consider to be the accurate boundaries when in reality it used to be north of York, south of Kensington, 95 to Frankford.

Ditto for Fitler Square. It's an entity of itself, but in reality, isn't it just Rittenhouse?

It's Northern Liberites. Callowhill is a thing but it's further west. Like the deadzone from 6th onward (westbound).

At the end of the day. It doesn't matter. Northern Liberties RCO has jurisdiction over the project.

It's gonna be a great project. Can't wait to see the renderings.

Redddog · #**2768** Posted **May 24, 2021, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Ok! It's all settled then!

Sometimes neighborhoods merge as well.

Olde Richmond used to be a thing (Fishtown above York Street) and now it's just Fishtown. The remaining bits of Olde Richmond that are behind Wawa are what most people today consider to be the accurate boundaries when in reality it used to be north of York, south of Kensington, 95 to Frankford.

Ditto for Fitler Square. It's an entity of itself, but in reality, isn't it just Rittenhouse?

It's Northern Liberites. Callowhill is a thing but it's further west. Like the deadzone from 6th onward (westbound).

At the end of the day. It doesn't matter. Northern Liberties RCO has jurisdiction over the project.

It's gonna be a great project. Can't wait to see the renderings.

DYING to see the pics!

mcgrath618 · #**2769** Posted **May 24, 2021, 4:19 PM**

Actually, everyone knows that the way the city and press determine which neighborhood developments are in is by looking at what I put in my thread OPs

summersm343 · #**2770** Posted **May 24, 2021, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by KDD

It's all the realtors' fault. My favorite was a friend of mine wanted to look at a house around 17th and Tasker. The agent called back to confirm an appointment to view a house in "Rittenhouse South"...

Hahahaha. That's awful. Soooo, Newbold, right? Just like calling Spruce Hill, Cedar Park and Powelton Village "University City." What a stretch.

summersm343 · #**2771** Posted **May 24, 2021, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

Ok! It's all settled then!

Sometimes neighborhoods merge as well.

Olde Richmond used to be a thing (Fishtown above York Street) and now it's just Fishtown. The remaining bits of Olde Richmond that are behind Wawa are what most people today consider to be the accurate boundaries when in reality it used to be north of York, south of Kensington, 95 to Frankford.

Ditto for Fitler Square. It's an entity of itself, but in reality, isn't it just Rittenhouse?

It's Northern Liberites. Callowhill is a thing but it's further west. Like the deadzone from 6th onward (westbound).

At the end of the day. It doesn't matter. Northern Liberties RCO has jurisdiction over the project.

It's gonna be a great project. Can't wait to see the renderings.

Yeah, I like SoNo. Philly is funky like that in that a lot of neighborhoods boundaries blur the lines. Same with Logan Square. Logan Square RCO has JFK to Spring Garden, Broad to the Schuylkill. I would consider Logan Square to end at Vine Street Expressway, and Franklintown or the "Art Museum Area" or Museum District to begin on the other side. But, some people consider that area Logan Square still, some people consider it Fairmount. Fairmount also blends/blurs the lines with Spring Garden. Wash West blurs the lines with Society Hill... so on and so forth.

Fishtown 100% ends at York Street. No doubt about that. Olde Richmond is everything from York to Lehigh, River to Trenton Ave or Frankford Ave.

Nanyika · #**2772** Posted **May 24, 2021, 5:02 PM**

I am excited over the proposed "SoNo" project; it could be the start of increased development to reknit the Northern Liberties with Old City to the south. The division between the neighborhoods was seamless until the city demolished the area at the end of the 1960s -- in the process renaming this section of the Northern Liberties as the "East Callowhill" redevelopment project. Of course, the project, with the aim of luring manufacturing back to central Philadelphia, was an utter disaster. The walling off of the area was made worse when they built elevated highways to the east and south. Before that, I used to love to wander or ride my bike through the southern Northern Liberties. Callowhill St., I remember, was a beautiful red-brick-lined street, and 200-year-old buildings still sold provisions for the maritime trade. As in the rest of the Northern Liberties, many old picturesque houses still stood on the smaller streets in the 1960s, although there were "flophouses" too for the more down and out population.

KDD · #**2773** Posted **May 24, 2021, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Hahahaha. That's awful. Soooo, Newbold, right? Just like calling Spruce Hill, Cedar Park and Powelton Village "University City." What a stretch.

I am in W Mt. Airy and the realtors tell people "oh, we consider Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill to be the same". I love W Mt Airy but in no way is it "the same" as Chestnut Hill.

Side note, what do you call someone living in Mt. Airy? I am assuming "Mt Arian" is a no go.

Redddog · #**2774** Posted **May 24, 2021, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by KDD

I am in W Mt. Airy and the realtors tell people "oh, we consider Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill to be the same". I love W Mt Airy but in no way is it "the same" as Chestnut Hill.

Side note, what do you call someone living in Mt. Airy? I am assuming "Mt Arian" is a no go.

Mt. Erudite?

3rd&Brown · #**2775** Posted **May 24, 2021, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Yeah, I like SoNo. Philly is funky like that in that a lot of neighborhoods boundaries blur the lines. Same with Logan Square. Logan Square RCO has JFK to Spring Garden, Broad to the Schuylkill. I would consider Logan Square to end at Vine Street Expressway, and Franklintown or the "Art Museum Area" or Museum District to begin on the other side. But, some people consider that area Logan Square still, some people consider it Fairmount. Fairmount also blends/blurs the lines with Spring Garden. Wash West blurs the lines with Society Hill... so on and so forth.

Fishtown 100% ends at York Street. No doubt about that. Olde Richmond is everything from York to Lehigh, River to Trenton Ave or Frankford Ave.

I know at least 5 people who own homes above York Street. None of them considers themselves Olde Richmond. I'm pretty sure none of them have ever heard of Olde Richmond.

cjPhilly · #**2776** Posted **May 24, 2021, 6:55 PM**

Check the link for renderings of the NoLibs projects on the last page:

https://www.nlna.org/NLNA_Website/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/KRE-DEVELOPMENT.pdf

Jawnadelphia · #**2777** Posted **May 24, 2021, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by cjPhilly

Check the link for renderings of the NoLibs projects on the last page:

https://www.nlna.org/NLNA_Website/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/KRE-DEVELOPMENT.pdf

The streamline moderne curve on building #1 is cool and I like the color. Building #2 is basically East Market though.

Redddog · #**2778** Posted **May 24, 2021, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jawnadelphia

The streamline moderne curve on building #1 is cool and I like the color. Building #2 is basically East Market though.

That is a huge building...

Redddog · #**2779** Posted **May 24, 2021, 8:48 PM**

dupe....

3rd&Brown · #**2780** Posted **May 24, 2021, 9:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jawnadelphia

The streamline moderne curve on building #1 is cool and I like the color. Building #2 is basically East Market though.

I'm okay with it.

That building is the best one of the lot in the East Market development.

The first building looks good I'm just not sure it relates to anything else in the development. Feels stand alone.