Zibi Gatineau Quebec | U/C

[RuralCitizen]

Not sure how mature trees' root system work with this continuous exposed bedrock.

[zzptichka]

Good luck with those trees.

But good to see there will be unimpeded water access.

Looks like they want to build concrete MUP to avoid rebuilding it after every spring.

[zzptichka]

Park plan from the presentation

[J.OT13]

On interlock vs concrete, I'm also of the opinion that interlock does poorly in Ottawa. I'll point to Queen Street and Sparks. There might be a way to do it better, but I haven't seen it yet.

On the Tesasini Park, looks decent. Also not sure how those trees in bedrock will work. I'll listen to the NCC Board Meeting soon to see if they provided an answer on that.

Some renderings:








https://twitter.com/NCC_CCN/status/1385248219031117827

NCC website on it:

https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/places/tesasini-pa...sid=ae67940e-cda2-eb11-80d5-0050568ece72

[J.OT13]

Submission from today's meeting on the park.
https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/d...Park.pdf?mtime=20210422094518&focal=none

The presentation is Power Point, so can't post, but you can access it on their website:

https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/events/virtual-pub...sid=c89bc0d8-a398-eb11-80d5-0050568ece72

[J.OT13]

Just listened ti the presetatikn on the park. I didn't realize trees in the rock are existing trees.

[bartlebooth]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

One Planet Living Report 2020, including planned phasing and much more:

https://zibi.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Zibi_One-Planet-Report-2020_Report_EN-lowres.pdf

This document lists that construction will start on building 11 (Quebec side) in 2021. Has anyone seen plans or renderings of what's proposed?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by bartlebooth

This document lists that construction will start on building 11 (Quebec side) in 2021. Has anyone seen plans or renderings of what's proposed?

Beyond material from a few years ago, no. That's on par for the course. Ottawa has an excellent DevApps site where we can see all proposals well in advance of approval and construction, while Gatineau has no such thing. Someone only found renderings of the u/c tower in Gatineau when it was already topped out. I expect the same for any other building that's not condos.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Just listened ti the presetatikn on the park. I didn't realize trees in the rock are existing trees.

Yeah they are. I highly doubt they can remove contaminated soil all the way to the bare rock like they propose without killing those trees. And they are not in great shape to begin with.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by bartlebooth

This document lists that construction will start on building 11 (Quebec side) in 2021. Has anyone seen plans or renderings of what's proposed?

I think its pretty much suppose to look identical to the other condominium next to it. If I remember correctly block 11 is to be called O II codominium.

[bartlebooth]

Originally Posted by SL123

I think its pretty much suppose to look identical to the other condominium next to it. If I remember correctly block 11 is to be called O II codominium.

Thanks! Was hoping for something more exciting but at least we are seeing continued progress. Hoping for it to feel more like a neighbourhood with ground level activity soon.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by HighwayStar

Anyone know what exactly are all those pipes for? And why can't they be moved somewhere a little more unobtrusive?

They could've easily lowered them at least since the pipes would have to go under the bridge anyway. Probably cheaper this way or they didn't even think about how it would look.

Even better, they could've built a cantilevered MUP and hidden the pipes under it, considering they need to build something for cyclists anyway. At this point, I have a feeling nothing for cyclists gets built and they would need to continue sharing the narrow road with all the trucks or sidewalk with pedestrians.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

They could've easily lowered them at least since the pipes would have to go under the bridge anyway. Probably cheaper this way or they didn't even think about how it would look.

Even better, they could've built a cantilevered MUP and hidden the pipes under it, considering they need to build something for cyclists anyway. At this point, I have a feeling nothing for cyclists gets built and they would need to continue sharing the narrow road with all the trucks or sidewalk with pedestrians.

If not mistaken the old ones were lower and were under the bridge (I think that's the white pipes you see to the right of of the black truss) but those were damaged in the flood a couple of years ago along with the bridge.

[UrbOttawa]

https://i.imgur.com/xZirlaP.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/oATYytX.jpg

[Harley613]

It's really too bad they went with the dark brick. Enough of that already here in Laheytown.

[TransitZilla]

Yes, clearly there will be no access to the water anywhere in this area. /s

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Yes, clearly there will be no access to the water anywhere in this area. /s

I watched the board meeting and "but will access to open water be safe???" was the first question asked by the board members

Won't surprise me if there is some kind of a fence here in the end.

[UrbOttawa]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Yes, clearly there will be no access to the water anywhere in this area. /s

IMO this is exactly the problem^

The city has an infinite amount of places where you can sit on grass/rocks/natural surfaces next to the water. However there are no urban areas that interact with the water despite there being so much of it throughout the city. The hand full of scattered restaurants and patios that we do have beside the rivers and canal are too isolated and disconnected to create any sort of urban edge on the water.

That Washington project posted earlier in this thread seems to a great job in animating the space with its long promenade along the water packed full of restaurants, shops and entertainment. With the landscape of Zibi, I get the feeling things will be too spread out and disjointed to have the same experience where you can stroll along the water, poke into shops and grab a beer on a patio. I hope I’m wrong but that’s the sense I’m getting so far.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

I watched the board meeting and "but will access to open water be safe???" was the first question asked by the board members

Won't surprise me if there is some kind of a fence here in the end.

Holy 🞵🞵🞵🞵 we need to start making people responsible for their own decisions and children. I was always amazed how you can stick your feet in the Niagara River just a couple hundred metres upstream from the falls. No baby gates there and yet where are the people falling in and getting washed over the falls?? Exceedingly rare.

The other place I was amazed with are the trails around Signal Hill in St. John's. Sheer drops 100+ feet and no guardrails to be seen.....though I heard they have since put up some fences that pissed a lot of people off.

[originalmuffins]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

No, it isn't Ottawa that's doing this, it's the NCC, which controls much of the waterfront in urban Ottawa. This is not a revelation, but a reminder that the NCC is the problem here.

NCC just wants to do more harm than good at this point. Even looking at how long it took them to come up with a "plan" for Lebreton after the 2018 fiasco, they made it into a 50 year-ish plan. I just don't think they bring any sort of real value except stagnating growth and development of this city into its greatest.


It's so frustrating following along and then seeing things get derailed once NCC gets involved.

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

IMO this is exactly the problem^

The city has an infinite amount of places where you can sit on grass/rocks/natural surfaces next to the water. However there are no urban areas that interact with the water despite there being so much of it throughout the city. The hand full of scattered restaurants and patios that we do have beside the rivers and canal are too isolated and disconnected to create any sort of urban edge on the water.

That Washington project posted earlier in this thread seems to a great job in animating the space with its long promenade along the water packed full of restaurants, shops and entertainment. With the landscape of Zibi, I get the feeling things will be too spread out and disjointed to have the same experience where you can stroll along the water, poke into shops and grab a beer on a patio. I hope I’m wrong but that’s the sense I’m getting so far.

Exactly. There's no maximization of waterfront retail/activity that isn't greenspace. We have lots of greenspace and I like that but it would be good to utilize areas we are building up to be maximized for tourism and just a place for locals to go.