Downtown Eastside - DTES Issues

[jollyburger]

If you ever think of confronting one of those homeless guys on a bike. Taken off a single prolific drug dealer..



https://twitter.com/DeputyChow/status/1376288699151904770

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by rofina

Ill add - Vancouver needs to be shit on. Preferably by some international publications. The recent news its been making in a negative light, is actually a positive.
Its clear unchecked human misery and gross mismanagement are not enough to get the population and leadership to act in a meaningful way.

Perhaps embarrassment on the international stage for "the best place on earth" and "greenest city" is exactly what's needed to prompt real action and spark conversations that go beyond
useless platitudes and status quo.

A few years ago Snoop Dogg of all people expressed some substantially negative views on the DTES when he was in the area for a gig and this was years before the opioid crisis.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by MIPS

A few years ago Snoop Dogg of all people expressed some substantially negative views on the DTES when he was in the area for a gig and this was years before the opioid crisis.

Someone should contact Ja Rule and find out what he thinks about the DTES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc

[shreddog]

Not DTES per se, but a story on the issue in Prince George and one business's strategy in addressing their local problems.

Opera music blaring outside Prince George drop-in space used as 'cruel' deterrent, say outreach workers

The issue was first raised by Chantale Laferriere, a social work student and volunteer who noticed the music while delivering meals to homeless people at the Fire Pit — a drop-in centre across the street from the city's courthouse and next to a safe consumption site run by Northern Health.

Laferriere says the same three-minute clip has been blasting around the clock for days in what she believes is an attempt to drive away the people who gather in the area to access services.

"Just the most loud blaring operatic crescendo on repeat. It was hard to even hear my own thoughts,"

Link

As for poor Chantale not being able to 'hear her own thoughts", as I like Puccini I'd be happy to forgo my thoughts for 3 minutes or so.

Now if they were playing Ja Rule, I would agree that that would be cruel.

[MIPS]

Don't see the problem here. Outreach center is attracting people who are not dispersing when they are closed and the neighboring businesses are not appreciating the extra crowd at all hours. This is no different than schools and public locations using those high-pitched noisemakers only younger people can really hear to deter loitering after hours. A few places up here use classical music playing 24/7 as well, notably the TNRD administrative offices and the main branch of the library.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Of course I didn't. Klazu made it sound like Burnaby was problem-free. Nowhere is problem-free these days - most recently North Vancouver. But suggesting that it's all because of the DTES is total nonsense.

And you repeat over and over and over again the same simplistic 'lock them all up' mantra that we all know you believe in. Really, you don't have to repeat it. We know your opinion.

And you conveniently leave out my comments about treatment and not neglecting addicts to let them die? Not surprising here.

It's not as simple as just locking addicts up, but I know what you are trying to achieve here.

Faking sympathy with callousness seems to be the norm of late.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by shreddog

Not DTES per se, but a story on the issue in Prince George and one business's strategy in addressing their local problems. Link

As for poor Chantale not being able to 'hear her own thoughts", as I like Puccini I'd be happy to forgo my thoughts for 3 minutes or so.

Now if they were playing Ja Rule, I would agree that that would be cruel.

Prince George is the worst of small-town BC combined with the worst of BC's cities. The ultimate dump.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Vin

And you conveniently leave out my comments about treatment and not neglecting addicts to let them die? Not surprising here.

It's not as simple as just locking addicts up, but I know what you are trying to achieve here.

Faking sympathy with callousness seems to be the norm of late.

You've previously posted about shipping addicts up north and forcing them to detox...

Originally Posted by MIPS

Don't see the problem here. Outreach center is attracting people who are not dispersing when they are closed and the neighboring businesses are not appreciating the extra crowd at all hours. This is no different than schools and public locations using those high-pitched noisemakers only younger people can really hear to deter loitering after hours. A few places up here use classical music playing 24/7 as well, notably the TNRD administrative offices and the main branch of the library.

I remember the covered walkway in Station Square (from the Central Blvd plaza to the main shopping area) used to play muzak - not loudly but I don't remember people loitering there so maybe it worked?

[officedweller]

Granville Street youth hostel to be permanently turned into housing for the homeless

HI Vancouver Central Hostel at 1025 Granville Street, Vancouver. (Google Maps)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/1025-gra...couver-central-hostel-supportive-housing

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Granville Street youth hostel to be permanently turned into housing for the homeless

Government hammering the final nail into the coffin of Vancouver’s entertainment district? Creating one DTES wasn’t enough for the policy makers, so they’re now creating two?

[MIPS]

I can't be opposed to more SRO's being opened but my opposition is:

1) Is the cost of purchasing a hotel and renovating it to accommodate a few dozen people at a time viable as opposed to building new structures?

2) Is there any incentive for other low-cost hotel chains to move in to fill the bottom-end of the tourism market? Vancouver becomes less appealing to visit when the cheapest rooms in the city are over $120/night.

Also has anything happened with the Balmoral and Regent lately or is it still locked in the courts with the Sahotas? I swear they settled last year for around $11 million.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I can't be opposed to more SRO's being opened but my opposition is:

1) Is the cost of purchasing a hotel and renovating it to accommodate a few dozen people at a time viable as opposed to building new structures?

2) Is there any incentive for other low-cost hotel chains to move in to fill the bottom-end of the tourism market? Vancouver becomes less appealing to visit when the cheapest rooms in the city are over $120/night.

Also has anything happened with the Balmoral and Regent lately or is it still locked in the courts with the Sahotas? I swear they settled last year for around $11 million.

Yes.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...n-secrecy-for-citys-balmoral-regent-deal

[logicbomb]

That comes up to be 280k per suite. Awesome. I can see crime skyrocketing in that area and the remaining shops and stores closing up once the new residents are "injected" into the area.

It really feels like the City of Vancouver and BC Government are actively trying to destroy Downtown Vancouver....

[Changing City]

Looks like BC Housing are serious about trying to house the currently homeless. They just bought the Thornton Park and Station Hotels on Main Street, and the Patricia on East Hastings. That has 100 immediately available rooms. Details here.

[jollyburger]

The province says it is spending about $75.5 million to buy the Patricia Hotel and two properties on Main Street.

The buildings have a total of 249 units and about 114 are expected to be offered soon to people experiencing homelessness.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...ver-hotels-to-housing-stock-for-homeless

[SeymourDrake]

That's all fine and good. I'm glad to see those that want a place to call home get one.

I'm interested to see where those who are not interested in housing, where they will go?

[CondoInvestor]

Downtown is not worth living anymore

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

That's all fine and good. I'm glad to see those that want a place to call home get one.

I'm interested to see where those who are not interested in housing, where they will go?

"The government needs to provide homes for people that want them" - debatable, but valid.

"The government needs to provide homes for people that don't want them" - please tell me this is a drunk tweet.

[SeymourDrake]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

"The government needs to provide homes for people that want them" - debatable, but valid.

"The government needs to provide homes for people that don't want them" - please tell me this is a drunk tweet.

Don't rewrite the script to fit your agenda. Also don't put words in my mouth.

i asked where will they go? As in another campsite, another area of the city, spread out around the city? Jail? Mental health facility etc.

Read it slow, it might register that way.

[WarrenC12]

There is a small segment that essentially can't "play by the rules" of basic civic society.

We have a ton of housing coming online in the next year or so for the homeless. We'll see what happens with this fringe minority when those spaces open up.

The end of COVID will help too, current spacing requirements don't allow as many people to be housed in existing facilities.