Barrhaven LRT | Proposed

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by MountainView

Are they planning to have the O-train elevated above the CN Rail line? It's hard to tell from the drawing in the plans.

Elevated the entire way from south of Baseline to south of the Neapean Sprotsplex (station also serves the automated car test track and film studio. for those who don't know or forgot). It's the surface through the Greenbelt and elevated again over the VIA tracks and at Fallowfield. Trench through Barrhaven.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by MountainView

Are they planning to have the O-train elevated above the CN Rail line? It's hard to tell from the drawing in the plans.

This render depicts it as well:

[OCCheetos]

I've updated the RailFans map with the new data. It also includes the layout of the proposed Greenbank yard.

https://map.railfans.ca/?barrhaven=true#12.23/45.30347/-75.75288/-33.5

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

This render depicts it as well:

Ah yes! I missed that completely.

Thanks to J.Ot13 for the explanation as well

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I've updated the RailFans map with the new data. It also includes the layout of the proposed Greenbank yard.

https://map.railfans.ca/?barrhaven=true#12.23/45.30347/-75.75288/-33.5

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I've updated the RailFans map with the new data. It also includes the layout of the proposed Greenbank yard.

https://map.railfans.ca/?barrhaven=true#12.23/45.30347/-75.75288/-33.5

Good stuff, looks great! I did notice one small thing, though. Shouldn't the switch after Longfields Station be flipped the other way for rail yard access?

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Good stuff, looks great! I did notice one small thing, though. Shouldn't the switch after Longfields Station be flipped the other way for rail yard access?

You're probably right, but that's the direction shown in the roll plans. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Hybrid247]

Oh, you're right. Didn't notice that at first.

[vtecyo]

Anyone else see a problem with the LRT Fallowfield intersection? The image I've added below is modified from page 3 of this file: https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/documents/files/barrhaven_lrt_boards18to33_en.pdf

Let's say you sometimes walk westbound over the transitway and via line at Fallowfield road to the shopping plaza just west of the tracks. Easy enough - there's currently a level crossing.

The proposed change could add over 1.2KM!!! to that journey - depending on how far south and east you start on that side of the tracks. The next closest crossing is at Longfields station, which is much farther south.

The orange line I've added is my idea for a route with a set of ramps/walkways so they could cut most of the extra distance out of this setup. It wouldn't have to complicated - they added a ramp at the Preston street bridge over the LRT so why not do the same thing here?

Or maybe - why not just raise the Via line up a bit as well - like an Longfields - and build a pedestrian underpass, as the LRT line looks to be planned as elevated in that section as well?

[J.OT13]

I agree, this could be an issue. Hopefully it's just an oversight during this part of planning and the ramp/stairs would be added to the plan as it gets fleshed-out.

[GradualFuture]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I've updated the RailFans map with the new data. It also includes the layout of the proposed Greenbank yard.

https://map.railfans.ca/?barrhaven=true#12.23/45.30347/-75.75288/-33.5

Thanks! I love these maps, I didn't know we had someone in the forum who was responsible for them.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by vtecyo

Anyone else see a problem with the LRT Fallowfield intersection? The image I've added below is modified from page 3 of this file: https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/documents/files/barrhaven_lrt_boards18to33_en.pdf

Let's say you sometimes walk westbound over the transitway and via line at Fallowfield road to the shopping plaza just west of the tracks. Easy enough - there's currently a level crossing.

The proposed change could add over 1.2KM!!! to that journey - depending on how far south and east you start on that side of the tracks. The next closest crossing is at Longfields station, which is much farther south.

This is what consultations are for. Email them.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by vtecyo

The proposed change could add over 1.2KM!!! to that journey - depending on how far south and east you start on that side of the tracks. The next closest crossing is at Longfields station, which is much farther south.

The orange line I've added is my idea for a route with a set of ramps/walkways so they could cut most of the extra distance out of this setup. It wouldn't have to complicated - they added a ramp at the Preston street bridge over the LRT so why not do the same thing here?

That's awesome feedback.

[Andyvc10]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

That's awesome feedback.

I agree 100%. Also, if you look at the MUP running parallel to Woodroffe from Fallowfield to the Sportsplex, it looks like you would have to go up and over the new overpass. Why can’t they leave the level crossing we have now for the MUP? It’s only a single track. And there’s other examples of level crossings around the city, like on the Brookfield pathway. I imagine it would be much preferable than riding up and over a noisy, dusty 4 lane overpass with cars whizzing by you.

[J.OT13]

I wonder if the City will be able to re-adapt Longfields station to rail as to save a few dozen million.


https://twitter.com/Chris_Livett/status/1308523950809526273

[OCCheetos]

The final report has been submitted and is viewable here: http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/item.aspx?itemid=402930

Edit: the current estimate for the whole project is $3 billion.

As noted earlier, the project is split into two phases.
Phase 1: Baseline to Fallowfield ($2 billion) which includes grade separations of the VIA line
Phase 2: Fallowfield to BTC ($1 billion) and includes the new MSF

The grade separations alone are $400 million.

[RideauRat]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I wonder if the City will be able to re-adapt Longfields station to rail as to save a few dozen million.


https://twitter.com/Chris_Livett/status/1308523950809526273

Honestly I agree this station is really nice, I would extend the roof or add some kind of shelter from rain and weather though

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

The final report has been submitted and is viewable here: http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/item.aspx?itemid=402930

Edit: the current estimate for the whole project is $3 billion.

As noted earlier, the project is split into two phases.
Phase 1: Baseline to Fallowfield ($2 billion) which includes grade separations of the VIA line
Phase 2: Fallowfield to BTC ($1 billion) and includes the new MSF

The grade separations alone are $400 million.

Crazy! $400M for 3 grade separations!!

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Crazy! $400M for 3 grade separations!!

Not surprising, considering the high cost of grade separation was already known

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ssings-in-barrhaven-area-would-cost-430m

and

http://ottwatch.ca/meetings/file/451279

Also, unlike what certain councilors and bicycle advocates in this city like to state, its one of the major costs of the Strandherd road project, which funnily enough includes grade separated Bicycle lanes.

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-en...e-widening-maravista-drive-jockvale-road

[On Edge]

End at at Fallowfield and focus instead on urban transit inside the greenbelt.