Calgary Stoney Trail [Ring Road]

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Doesn't their Morning show drag on for something like four hours? That's a lot of content to fast forward thru.

3 hours on a weekday (6 - 9 am)

[Mykie]

Originally Posted by suburb

I've heard the progress has been swift further north at Stoney & 14th street. That bridge will be critical for ongoing development north of there, including Keystone Hills.

I would call it precisely the exact opposite of swift, it's taking 2+ years to do an interchange with 4 of the ramps already built, and grading already done.

[Corndogger]

Mmm...

Northeast residents say voices aren't being heard on Stoney Trail bridge plan

People living in a handful of new homes at the dead end of a northeast Calgary street say they have huge concerns about a flyover being planned there, with the possibility of a ramp starting right outside their front doors.

Right now, the end of 80th Avenue N.E. in Taradale is a quiet cul-de-sac with a basketball net where kids play outside.

Residents say they had no idea when they bought their new homes a couple of years ago that an $8.5M concrete overpass project would be built just meters away from their driveways.

The flyover will connect 80th Avenue with new and future communities being built on the east side of Stoney Trail.

A second connection over Stoney Trail is planned further south at 64th Avenue N.E.

People who live nearby say the city hasn't done a good job of making residents aware of the project and its implications.

Full story at https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/n...jBoXFGDgG43CcIoycr_SS9T144YDItCeTORfaD8k

[DoubleK]

Not NIMBYism at all.

If you are going to complain about things that come with living close to a utility corridor, don't live close to a utility corridor.

[Crazy Ham]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Not NIMBYism at all.

If you are going to complain about things that come with living close to a utility corridor, don't live close to a utility corridor.

Reminds me what a buddy in real estate once told me, buy in an established neighbourhood as opposed to a new development, because plans can change. The empty field next to you can become anything.

[Pegasus]

Province commits $70 million to replace the eastbound Stoney Trail bridge over Bow River (by Chaparral in the south) https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/province-comm...ey-trail-bridge-over-bow-river-1.5110693. Bridge was built in 1975.

The South Bow River Project will also include widening the westbound bridge and building a new standalone pedestrian bridge. It is claimed it will improve safety but announcement doesn't say how fog will addressed (like when there was a multi-car pileup a few years ago).

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ham

Reminds me what a buddy in real estate once told me, buy in an established neighbourhood as opposed to a new development, because plans can change. The empty field next to you can become anything.

Then there are people who buy a house by an airport because it is less expensive, then complain about aircraft noise.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

People living in a handful of new homes at the dead end of a northeast Calgary street say they have huge concerns about a flyover being planned there, with the possibility of a ramp starting right outside their front doors.

Right now, the end of 80th Avenue N.E. in Taradale is a quiet cul-de-sac with a basketball net where kids play outside.

Residents say they had no idea when they bought their new homes a couple of years ago that an $8.5M concrete overpass project would be built just meters away from their driveways.

The flyover will connect 80th Avenue with new and future communities being built on the east side of Stoney Trail.

This one is a bit of a head scratcher. Just looking at google maps it's clear that this was never considered when the community was built. It's probably going to look like 33rd Avenue in the SW, which has retaining walls next to houses as it climbs up to Crowchild. The only problem is that 80th Avenue is basically brand new, so there's no excuse!
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0240339,-...Fp8CGTPc7EvHLGxB3uPbw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Province commits $70 million to replace the eastbound Stoney Trail bridge over Bow River (by Chaparral in the south) https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/province-comm...ey-trail-bridge-over-bow-river-1.5110693

The South Bow River Project will also include widening the westbound bridge and building a new standalone pedestrian bridge. It is claimed it will improve safety but announcement doesn't say how fog will addressed (like when there was a multi-car pileup a few years ago).

This one is ALSO a bit of a head scratcher. When was 22X originally built? Is that Eastbound bridge really so old that it needs replacing? Why do they already need to widen the Westbound bridge? I thought they were just going to widen the old bridge and build a new pedestrian bridge but this has morphed into a mega project. Too bad they couldn't funnel some of that money to adding lanes in the NE.

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

This one is ALSO a bit of a head scratcher. When was 22X originally built? Is that Eastbound bridge really so old that it needs replacing? Why do they already need to widen the Westbound bridge? I thought they were just going to widen the old bridge and build a new pedestrian bridge but this has morphed into a mega project. Too bad they couldn't funnel some of that money to adding lanes in the NE.

The EB bridge is 2 lane and old (1975), is quite narrow and in need of repair. I assume they will go to 3 lanes in each direction??

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

This one is ALSO a bit of a head scratcher. When was 22X originally built? Is that Eastbound bridge really so old that it needs replacing? Why do they already need to widen the Westbound bridge? I thought they were just going to widen the old bridge and build a new pedestrian bridge but this has morphed into a mega project. Too bad they couldn't funnel some of that money to adding lanes in the NE.

The original bridge was built in the 70s. It's not end of life but probably close to being a push to widening it vs rebuilding it.

I really hope they have room for two lanes in each direction while they widen the WB bridge. If not traffic in the SE is going to be a complete cluster.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

The EB bridge is 2 lane and old (1975), is quite narrow and in need of repair. I assume they will go to 3 lanes in each direction??

I hope they make them wide enough to handle four lanes in each direction.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The original bridge was built in the 70s. It's not end of life but probably close to being a push to widening it vs rebuilding it.

I really hope they have room for two lanes in each direction while they widen the WB bridge. If not traffic in the SE is going to be a complete cluster.

Oh yeah, that's getting close enough to the age where widening gets really expensive. The existing WB bridge is wide enough for 4 lanes if you slightly reduce the lane widths for some narrow shoulders, so it should be quite easy to do the same on a new EB bridge.

[Mykie]

EB bridge built 1974 and is in very poor condition per inspection last year, repairs would be prohibitively expensive. New EB bridge will be 4 lanes, and westbound bridge will be modded for 4 lanes. Crossovers will be built soon. 2 lanes each way on WB bridge at reduced speed while EB bridge is dismantled and rebuilt. Traffic will still suck.


Also regarding an October 1 opening for the SW leg, McIver this morning says, "there or very close to it. We'll make an announcement close to the time but we're still shooting for October 1."

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

This one is a bit of a head scratcher. Just looking at google maps it's clear that this was never considered when the community was built. It's probably going to look like 33rd Avenue in the SW, which has retaining walls next to houses as it climbs up to Crowchild. The only problem is that 80th Avenue is basically brand new, so there's no excuse!
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0240339,-...Fp8CGTPc7EvHLGxB3uPbw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I was looking at a thread about this project on Reddit and someone stated that this has been in the plans since 2009. That sounds right to me. Around the time the N.E. leg opened I recall hearing that there were plans to build additional infrastructure to service new communities that would eventually be built out there. Either people weren't paying attention or didn't believe anything would ever happen which seems pretty common for people who buy next door to the TUC and then bitch when something does happen.

[Mykie]

Correct, those plans are as old as the NE leg itself. Also planned is a flyover at 64 Ave.

That said, I feel the developer shouldn't have put houses there, which is what Nenshi also said this morning.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Province commits $70 million to replace the eastbound Stoney Trail bridge over Bow River (by Chaparral in the south) https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/province-comm...ey-trail-bridge-over-bow-river-1.5110693. Bridge was built in 1975.

The South Bow River Project will also include widening the westbound bridge and building a new standalone pedestrian bridge. It is claimed it will improve safety but announcement doesn't say how fog will addressed (like when there was a multi-car pileup a few years ago).

This is a much needed project. Too bad they didn't start on it a few years ago so it would be completed the same time the S.W. leg opens up down in that section of the city.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Mykie

Correct, those plans are as old as the NE leg itself. Also planned is a flyover at 64 Ave.

That said, I feel the developer shouldn't have put houses there, which is what Nenshi also said this morning.

The developer probably wanted to maximize their investment. I know it's not legally required but from an ethical standpoint the real estate agent or whoever it was the people who bought dealt with, should have informed them of future plans. And of course, as has been pointed out, the buyers should have known that development was not going to stop at the point in the city.

[Mykie]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

This is a much needed project. Too bad they didn't start on it a few years ago so it would be completed the same time the S.W. leg opens up down in that section of the city.

a) the inspection that revealed the true state of the structure was only last year
b) funds quickly became available due to the pandemic recovery fund

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Mykie

EB bridge built 1974 and is in very poor condition per inspection last year, repairs would be prohibitively expensive. New EB bridge will be 4 lanes, and westbound bridge will be modded for 4 lanes. Crossovers will be built soon. 2 lanes each way on WB bridge at reduced speed while EB bridge is dismantled and rebuilt. Traffic will still suck.


Also regarding an October 1 opening for the SW leg, McIver this morning says, "there or very close to it. We'll make an announcement close to the time but we're still shooting for October 1."

Sounds great that they're thinking ahead and building the bridges to handle four lanes.

When part of the S.W. leg opens in a few weeks or so I think name confusion is going to be a big problem.

[Mykie]

The naming thing sucks but I don't think it will actually result in tangible confusion causing anyone to get lost. Signs stating "Stoney Trail becomes Tsuu'tina Trail" and vice versa are present, most people won't care, and a simple "it's the same road" is sufficient explanation for anyone who might care. Based on the signage as it exists, the points at which it transitions are not points at which you could possibly seek Stoney Trail to remain on it because of the name change, or vice versa.