Airport Rail Link - Page 10

The Conductor · #**181** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 8:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by caboose

If there are to be purchases of more trains, they should be Stadler Flirt tri-mode (diesel, electric, battery) to future-proof the rolling stock.

That would be very good planning

corynv · #**182** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

We will need to look at purchasing more trains

How does that solve the issues related to maintenance? Trains aren't the only thing that need to be maintained. Stations, platforms, rail, signaling, etc. A lot of which can't be done while in service.

HighwayStar · #**183** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

After COVID19 - flights eventually return to normal - For the late night flights and early morning flights YOW is expecting, and rightly so that the O-Train is running in order to get people to and from the terminal.

YYZ is almost maxed out prior to COVID19 and plans were underway to make Ottawa a hub & spoke model.

Prior to COVID19 when I would fly on a weekly basis I had those conversations with management from time to time.

YOW will also be getting close to the point where a 2nd terminal will be required

Interesting... the Airport Master Plan projects a total of 3 extra domestic gates required by 2038... and this was pre-Covid..

See Table 4-1 on page 13: https://yow.ca/sites/yow.ca/files/site-s...aster_plan_-_executive_summary_-_eng.pdf

Where is this "2nd Terminal" fantasy coming from?

OCCheetos · #**184** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 11:05 PM**

There's a consensus among stakeholders that...

Truenorth00 · #**185** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 12:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by HighwayStar

Interesting... the Airport Master Plan projects a total of 3 extra domestic gates required by 2038... and this was pre-Covid..

See Table 4-1 on page 13: https://yow.ca/sites/yow.ca/files/site-s...aster_plan_-_executive_summary_-_eng.pdf

Where is this "2nd Terminal" fantasy coming from?

And possibly before any potential impact of VIA's HFR on YOW.

The Conductor · #**186** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 12:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by HighwayStar

Interesting... the Airport Master Plan projects a total of 3 extra domestic gates required by 2038... and this was pre-Covid..

See Table 4-1 on page 13: https://yow.ca/sites/yow.ca/files/site-s...aster_plan_-_executive_summary_-_eng.pdf

Where is this "2nd Terminal" fantasy coming from?

That report was created prior to the gate shortage at YYZ...2018 and 2019 saw a big increase in traffic at YOW...Now what does COVID19 mean going forward no idea

Truenorth00 · #**187** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 1:09 PM**

What does a gate shortage at YYZ have to do with YOW? And YYZ has built a set of new gates in 2019 to deal with the congestion:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/new-gates-ped...on-airport-by-end-of-the-month-1.4636174

Gat-Train · #**188** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

After COVID19 - flights eventually return to normal - For the late night flights and early morning flights YOW is expecting, and rightly so that the O-Train is running in order to get people to and from the terminal.

YYZ is almost maxed out prior to COVID19 and plans were underway to make Ottawa a hub & spoke model.

Prior to COVID19 when I would fly on a weekly basis I had those conversations with management from time to time.

YOW will also be getting close to the point where a 2nd terminal will be required

Depends on whether or not HFR comes to fruition. If it does, then I think a lot of people will take the train to Dorval and fly out of YUL.

caboose · #**189** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

Depends on whether or not HFR comes to fruition. If it does, then I think a lot of people will take the train to Dorval and fly out of YUL.

Isn't Dorval at capacity too? And there's no connection from the VIA station to the terminal.

Truenorth00 · #**190** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 2:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gat-Train

Depends on whether or not HFR comes to fruition. If it does, then I think a lot of people will take the train to Dorval and fly out of YUL.

Not sure about a lot. But it will definitely make aviation more competitive at YOW. Self-transfer will be easy. And a Trudeau-Dorval extension is already under study. Not to mention, there's shuttles there today to take you to the airport.

Personally, being close to Tremblay, I'd definitely cross-shop fares from YUL and YOW. If it takes me 40 mins to get to YOW by transit and 1.5 hrs to get to YUL with HFR and shuttle, the 45-60 mins saved is going to be weighed against the cost savings that come with traveling from a larger airport with a lot more options. Isn't all that unusual to fly from YUL today, as it is.

Truenorth00 · #**191** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 2:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by caboose

Isn't Dorval at capacity too?

Hence the $2.5B expansion already under way:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/montreals-trudeau-airport-to-get-5-billion-facelift

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Originally Posted by caboose

And there's no connection from the VIA station to the terminal.

VIA provides a free shuttle:

https://www.viarail.ca/en/travel-info/transport-services/intermodality/montreal-trudeau-shuttle

And a study for extension of the REM to Dorval was commissioned last year:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...lion-into-linking-rem-and-dorval-station

It's a 700m one-stop extension. Chance of it not being built in the next 5-10 years is low. Particularly if HFR is approved.

HighwayStar · #**192** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

That report was created prior to the gate shortage at YYZ...2018 and 2019 saw a big increase in traffic at YOW...Now what does COVID19 mean going forward no idea

That same report (written in 2018) forecasts approximately 5M (+/-) passengers in 2019, when in actuality there were about 5.1M.

Slightly more, yes... but nothing approaching the need for a second terminal.

Are you actually saying that you have firsthand information that the 2018 Airport Master Plan (i.e. planning for the next 20 years) was out of date before it hit the table?

Truenorth00 · #**193** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 3:26 PM**

Terminal expansion aside, that doesn't change when the airport rail link has to run. Its hours have to fit in with the rest of the system. There's no point taking the ARL at 2am to end up at South Keys with no Trillium Line running.

If you take a late flight in or an early flight out, the need to take a taxi is part of the risk in your planning. This is common at most airports around the world.

The Conductor · #**194** Posted **Sep 8, 2020, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by caboose

Isn't Dorval at capacity too? And there's no connection from the VIA station to the terminal.

Yes, YUL is a terrible place to fly out of - the international flights are really bad there, you have to walk for miles to get anywhere

caboose · #**195** Posted **Sep 9, 2020, 1:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

Yes, YUL is a terrible place to fly out of - the international flights are really bad there, you have to walk for miles to get anywhere

Some problems YUL is dealing with:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...cm/61c8fe71-eb83-4723-b701-cda032170389/

qprcanada · #**196** Posted **Sep 9, 2020, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

Yes, YUL is a terrible place to fly out of - the international flights are really bad there, you have to walk for miles to get anywhere

YUL is a great place to fly out of, so many more airlines, destinations and better fares than at YOW. The Int'l departures section has many amenities with lots of shopping and food options. I can't wait for HFR.

caboose · #**197** Posted **Sep 9, 2020, 2:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by qprcanada

YUL is a great place to fly out of, so many more airlines, destinations and better fares than at YOW. The Int'l departures section has many amenities with lots of shopping and food options. I can't wait for HFR.

Landing at YUL are rough and windy. I can't stand it!

Truenorth00 · #**198** Posted **Sep 9, 2020, 11:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by qprcanada

YUL is a great place to fly out of, so many more airlines, destinations and better fares than at YOW. The Int'l departures section has many amenities with lots of shopping and food options. I can't wait for HFR.

Yep. Moreover with HFR, takes the same amount of transfers to get to YUL as YOW!

YUL: Transfer at Tremblay and Dorval.
YOW: Transfer at Bayview and South Keys.

Sure the transfers for YUL are a bit more cumbersome. But if the HFR ticket is $20 and it only adds an hour for each trip? There will be some nice deals to take advantage of. At minimum, it should keep Air Canada and Porter, honest at YOW.

AuxTown · #**199** Posted **Sep 18, 2020, 2:35 PM**

When this is up and running will it just be a single train going back and fourth to South Keys? What is the expected frequency? Do you plan to sync it up with the main line to reduce transfer times?

J.OT13 · #**200** Posted **Sep 18, 2020, 2:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by AuxTown

When this is up and running will it just be a single train going back and fourth to South Keys? What is the expected frequency? Do you plan to sync it up with the main line to reduce transfer times?

Two trains going back and forth, meeting at Upldans station. 12 minute frequency. Suppose to be timed with the main Trillium Line for easy transfers.