Airport Rail Link - Page 9

swimmer_spe · #**161** Posted **Sep 6, 2020, 4:24 PM**

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Run the freight trains at night after passenger service has ended. Transfer the cargo onto the Confederation Line and you get the freight directly into downtown, which can then be shuttled to its final destination via cargo bike.

Does all stations have elevators that could handle that capacity?
he issue would be that you still need trucks for most deliveries as the amount is more than would be able to be carried on a bike.

caboose · #**162** Posted **Sep 6, 2020, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Does all stations have elevators that could handle that capacity?
he issue would be that you still need trucks for most deliveries as the amount is more than would be able to be carried on a bike.

If there was cargo, it would have to be dealt with in separate "stations" at both ends.

The Conductor · #**163** Posted **Sep 6, 2020, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Does all stations have elevators that could handle that capacity?
he issue would be that you still need trucks for most deliveries as the amount is more than would be able to be carried on a bike.

Interesting idea but a long term problem. The goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day at some point

corynv · #**164** Posted **Sep 6, 2020, 11:36 PM**

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Interesting idea but a long term problem. The goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day at some point

Where is that coming from? I've never one heard that mentioned. If you do all day running, you lose time to do maintenance, which is critically important. That's one of the reasons why new york's subway isn't that great. They push maintenance until they absolutely can't not do it, and need to shut down the line for extended time.

caboose · #**165** Posted **Sep 6, 2020, 11:42 PM**

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Interesting idea but a long term problem. The goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day at some point

The biggest problem for the airport line is the number of transfers people will have to make to get downtown. Which means double tracks or more passing sidings. If the goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day, there could be one on the whole line overnight and the others in for maintenance.

The Conductor · #**166** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by corynv

Where is that coming from? I've never one heard that mentioned. If you do all day running, you lose time to do maintenance, which is critically important. That's one of the reasons why new york's subway isn't that great. They push maintenance until they absolutely can't not do it, and need to shut down the line for extended time.

After COVID19 - flights eventually return to normal - For the late night flights and early morning flights YOW is expecting, and rightly so that the O-Train is running in order to get people to and from the terminal.

YYZ is almost maxed out prior to COVID19 and plans were underway to make Ottawa a hub & spoke model.

Prior to COVID19 when I would fly on a weekly basis I had those conversations with management from time to time.

YOW will also be getting close to the point where a 2nd terminal will be required

The Conductor · #**167** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 2:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by caboose

The biggest problem for the airport line is the number of transfers people will have to make to get downtown. Which means double tracks or more passing sidings. If the goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day, there could be one on the whole line overnight and the others in for maintenance.

Those are exactly the issues that O-Train and YOW need to sort out. The city is going to have step up!

caboose · #**168** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 2:23 AM**

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Those are exactly the issues that O-Train and YOW need to sort out. The city is going to have step up!

It means double tracking everywhere north.

The Conductor · #**169** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 2:24 AM**

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It means double tracking everywhere north.

Perhaps it will also mean linking up South Keys to the Bank Street O-Train subway line?

caboose · #**170** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 2:35 AM**

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Perhaps it will also mean linking up South Keys to the Bank Street O-Train subway line?

Future expansion of the fantasy Bank Street Subway, once built, could replace the Transitway and connect up with South Keys.

Having a Transitway and the O-Train Trillium Line on the same stretch for twenty years was never seen as a duplication, so why not convert the Transitway to the fantasy Bank Street Subway?

swimmer_spe · #**171** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 3:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

Interesting idea but a long term problem. The goal is to have O-Train run all hours of the day at some point

Even Toronto and Montreal don't run theirs 24/7.

Truenorth00 · #**172** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 12:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by caboose

Having a Transitway and the O-Train Trillium Line on the same stretch for twenty years was never seen as a duplication, so why not convert the Transitway to the fantasy Bank Street Subway?

One exists. The other doesn't.

One would need billions in capital to duplicate mostly what already exists. One costs nothing more than gas money for buses and a bit of station maintenance. The Transitway has a very long future ahead.

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Even Toronto and Montreal don't run theirs 24/7.

You can have reliable and cheaper service. Or poorly maintained service that runs 24/7. Can't have both. For the amount of riders who travel between 0100 - 0500, it's not worthwhile to run service. Cheaper and easier to spend that time on maintenance.

corynv · #**173** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 3:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

After COVID19 - flights eventually return to normal - For the late night flights and early morning flights YOW is expecting, and rightly so that the O-Train is running in order to get people to and from the terminal.

YYZ is almost maxed out prior to COVID19 and plans were underway to make Ottawa a hub & spoke model.

Prior to COVID19 when I would fly on a weekly basis I had those conversations with management from time to time.

YOW will also be getting close to the point where a 2nd terminal will be required

And how does the mean 24/7 running of the O-train? even the airport doesn't operate 24/7, so it's entirely pointless to have the O-train that much if the airport isn't even opened like that. Do you want to know why the airport doesn't do that? (even major airports don't run 24/7), so they can do maintenance on their runways, so that it doesn't become a danger. Not to mention if there is extreme late night needs, n97 will still be a thing.

The UP express doesn't run for 24 hours (about 5am-1am). The skytrain doesn't run 24/7 (about 5am-1am). Both of which have airports much larger than ours. So why would we need to have 24/7 higher order transit in order to serve our airport? even the REM in montreal isn't planning on running 24/7 and they'll have an airport link as well.

The Conductor · #**174** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 3:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by corynv

And how does the mean 24/7 running of the O-train? even the airport doesn't operate 24/7, so it's entirely pointless to have the O-train that much if the airport isn't even opened like that. Do you want to know why the airport doesn't do that? (even major airports don't run 24/7), so they can do maintenance on their runways, so that it doesn't become a danger.

An error on my part, what I meant is that YOW is expecting O-Train service to operate when flights are departing & arriving. Eventually YOW will have more flights in the hours of midnight to 3 AM like like YUL and YYZ and the O-Train will be expected to service those flights

swimmer_spe · #**175** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Conductor

An error on my part, what I meant is that YOW is expecting O-Train service to operate when flights are departing & arriving. Eventually YOW will have more flights in the hours of midnight to 3 AM like like YUW and YYZ and the O-Train will be expected to service those flights

https://www.upexpress.com/

The one to YYZ does not run 24/7. It runs till midnight and starts back up at 455. the O-Train could do the same.

OCCheetos · #**176** Posted **Sep 7, 2020, 3:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

https://www.upexpress.com/

The one to YYZ does not run 24/7. It runs till midnight and starts back up at 455. the O-Train could do the same.

If I'm not mistaken, the plan is to sync up the schedules of the two lines so that they'll start and finish at the same times every day. So on weekdays, it would start up at around 5am.