Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Feathered Friend]

Some clarifications;

Like the Broadway-City Hall station, every station on the new line is being designed to allow for incorporation into a future development (overbuild).

Every station is also being designed to allow for at least one added entrance in the future.

The station is at Laurel as it will not only connect to VGH (with the potential for an underground tunnel), but to the Laurel Landbridge.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by dleung

Ugh, instead of "every resident in Metro Vancouver gets x-dollars of subway investment within 5km of their home" whether they use it or not, how bout they build it where the ridership demands it...

By doing this, you don't end up with the mess that is the TTC. The Skytrain is actually better.

[Migrant_Coconut]

No reason there can't eventually be a second entrance at Oak...

Originally Posted by dleung

Ugh, instead of "every resident in Metro Vancouver gets x-dollars of subway investment within 5km of their home" whether they use it or not, how bout they build it where the ridership demands it...

If you mean Surrey, the SoF ridership most definitely demands a SkyTrain or two. Just less so than Broadway.

Originally Posted by Anorak

I believe the Stadium and Wesbrook village would also be part of the plan.

At last check, it's actually just the bus loop and Wesbrook - no stadium.

[scottN]

Originally Posted by dleung

You got me lol. It just seems more intuitive if the platform was mid-block, with separate entrances at Laurel and Oak.

I guess the Oak street buses will loop around the block as the terminus of their route to facilitate connections to the station.

Actually the Oak street bus turns east at Broadway and goes over the Cambie Street Bridge into downtown. So Laurel works just as well as Oak. The 99 B line stop is actually at Willow. As a former resident of the neighbourhood I think Laurel is ideal, since it is a natural pedestrian corridor.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

aren't they putting a smaller entrance/exit inside that new building on the South East corner of Oak & Broadway? i thought provisions were made to do that? i could be wrong though.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

aren't they putting a smaller entrance/exit inside that new building on the South East corner of Oak & Broadway? i thought provisions were made to do that? i could be wrong though.

The Oak and Broadway building was designed in a way that allowed a possible station access. So was Crossroads at Cambie. As designed, the extension doesn't need either of those possible entrances.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by scottN

Actually the Oak street bus turns east at Broadway and goes over the Cambie Street Bridge into downtown. So Laurel works just as well as Oak. The 99 B line stop is actually at Willow. As a former resident of the neighbourhood I think Laurel is ideal, since it is a natural pedestrian corridor.

... and the left turn complicates placement of an outbound bus stop if the station was on the Oak corner
(either well before Oak to allow the bus to get to left turn lane or the bus has to cross lanes to the curb immediately after turning).

[dleung]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

At last check, it's actually just the bus loop and Wesbrook - no stadium.

I think Westbrook is unnecessary. It's an expensive last 1.5km. People who live there aren't the transit type anyway. Rather have an alignment that isn't compromised by Westbrook, but locates the UBC station perfectly, ideally in a trenched station under a glass-covered plaza at the end of University Blvd. I'm assuming the guideway is at-grade from Blanca to Acadia.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by dleung

I think Westbrook is unnecessary. It's an expensive last 1.5km. People who live there aren't the transit type anyway. Rather have an alignment that isn't compromised by Westbrook, but locates the UBC station perfectly, ideally in a trenched station under a glass-covered plaza at the end of University Blvd. I'm assuming the guideway is at-grade from Blanca to Acadia.

Seems logical to not serve a neighbourhood with 12,000 planned residents. The guideway will probably be elevated on campus.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by dleung

I think Westbrook is unnecessary. It's an expensive last 1.5km. People who live there aren't the transit type anyway. Rather have an alignment that isn't compromised by Westbrook, but locates the UBC station perfectly, ideally in a trenched station under a glass-covered plaza at the end of University Blvd. I'm assuming the guideway is at-grade from Blanca to Acadia.

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Seems logical to not serve a neighbourhood with 12,000 planned residents. The guideway will probably be elevated on campus.

It may be wishful thinking, but Wesbrook also works if a future line is built along Marine Drive or 41st, either as an extension of the Millennium Line or as a separate line.

[officedweller]

I recall there being mention of an alignment along East Mall, with a turn to the south from University Blvd at the redeveloped Wesbrook Building.

[MIPS]

Broadway Subway: $2.83B project awarded to Acciona-Ghella; ground to break this fall

VANCOUVER -- Gearing up for construction on the Broadway Subway project, officials announced Thursday that the design and construction process has been awarded to Acciona-Ghella

Premier John Horgan was joined by Vancouver's mayor, Kennedy Stewart, for the morning briefing.

"As we restore the economy through BC’s Restart Plan, major infrastructure projects like the Broadway Subway line will be key to our recovery," Horgan said.

...

Construction on the $2.83-billion project – which will create six rapid transit stops between VCC-Clark and Arbutus – is expected to begin this fall. The line is expected to be in service by 2025.

The design and construction contract is valued at more than $1.72 billion.

Funding for the project is coming from the all three levels of government and TransLink.

"Public transit allows Canadians to get where they need to go in affordable and environmentally friendly ways," Murray said in the release.

...

Once completed, it's expected to take 11 minutes for transit users to travel from VCC-Clark to Arbutus Station.

- https://bc.ctvnews.ca/broadway-subway-2-...ella-ground-to-break-this-fall-1.5091102

[Migrant_Coconut]

2.83 minus 1.72 = $1.11 billion to do... what?

Good news, regardless.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

2.83 minus 1.72 = $1.11 billion to do... what?

Good news, regardless.

Is the 1.72 the provincial contribution?

That project is estimated to cost $2.83 billion, with $1.82 billion committed from the provincial government and $888.4 million from the provincial government.

The City of Vancouver committed $99.8 million.

https://www.vancourier.com/news/first-na...-4-billion-skytrain-extension-1.24064387

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

2.83 minus 1.72 = $1.11 billion to do... what?

Good news, regardless.

Well, the $1.72bn contract covers design, construction and partial funding. Presumably all the additional costs include all the preliminary studies and geotechnical work, the land acquisition, and the Provincial staffing. There's also the remaining funding, if the design and build only covers part of the funding. There have also been services shifted and new trolley routes (for example) which will be part of the total cost.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Well, the $1.72bn contract covers design, construction and partial funding. Presumably all the additional costs include all the preliminary studies and geotechnical work, the land acquisition, and the Provincial staffing. There's also the remaining funding, if the design and build only covers part of the funding. There have also been services shifted and new trolley routes (for example) which will be part of the total cost.

And then real estate prices probably hike it up even further - fair enough. Just saying that I'd be mildly pissed if it all went to staff wages.

[red-paladin]

Vehicles as well, Translink is buying them separately.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Well, the $1.72bn contract covers design, construction and partial funding. Presumably all the additional costs include all the preliminary studies and geotechnical work, the land acquisition, and the Provincial staffing. There's also the remaining funding, if the design and build only covers part of the funding. There have also been services shifted and new trolley routes (for example) which will be part of the total cost.

Probably the cars themselves, and other ground level related construction? Maybe even contingency.

As long as it stays on budget, I don't really care.

[chowhou]

I guess this sort of implies the government expects normal transit ridership by 2025.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Broadway Subway: $2.83B project awarded to Acciona-Ghella; ground to break this fall

Will they be waiting to finish this before the complete the final section to UBC?