Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 528

WarrenC12 · #**10541** Posted **Jul 22, 2020, 10:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Arbutus? Let's hope so - in 10-15 years, the M-Line'll extend all the way to UBC, and then that bus loop will become a parking lot for taxis.

Sorry I meant Cambie-Broadway. It's a big ground level footprint, but I'm wondering what's possible now that the station is built and active.

officedweller · #**10542** Posted **Jul 22, 2020, 11:19 PM**

That would be good planning. Haven't seen anything about that possibility, but it could be complicated by any potential building having to straddle the loop and greenway. The King Ed condo contilevers over the station, so no weight rests on the station footings.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10543** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 12:40 AM**

Probably easier to just build on top of the loop - not much point in having it once the B-Line is gone.

scryer · #**10544** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 2:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i still don't really like how there is only 1 entry/exit though...

I feel like the one entry/exit design of Arbutus station will be a pain in the ass until the Millennium line reaches UBC. Why? Because until the Skytrain reaches UBC, Arbutus station will actually serve as a huge transfer station for the 99. After the Skytrain reaches UBC then Arbutus station will have less people transferring on buses to UBC. I think that the design of the station will be geared towards building for its functions after the UBC extension so I am personally okay with it for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I'd put Arbutus Station on the same level as Oak, maybe lower; even with the Greenway/tram, I don't see it growing big enough to need a second entrance. Maybe add a couple of K.O. panels and that's it.

Wonder if the tram could go under the subway? Or does the cost outweigh the benefit?

I would bet that the cost would outweigh the benefit but I am happy to be wrong

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swimmer_spe · #**10545** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 5:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Arbutus? Let's hope so - in 10-15 years, the M-Line'll extend all the way to UBC, and then that bus loop will become a parking lot for taxis.

This is why building the entire extension in 1 go makes more sense. You are not building, then tearing down stuff.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10546** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 5:54 AM**

It's easy to rip up asphalt... waiting another decade or two for a complete $6B ($9B+ probably, if you add rising land values and inflation), not so much.

SpongeG · #**10547** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 6:13 AM**

yeah, its better to get this section done than to say no thanks we'll wait till you fund it all the way to UBC, that could be 2040.

swimmer_spe · #**10548** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 6:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

It's easy to rip up asphalt... waiting another decade or two for a complete $6B ($9B+ probably, if you add rising land values and inflation), not so much.

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

yeah, its better to get this section done than to say no thanks we'll wait till you fund it all the way to UBC, that could be 2040.

I was not suggesting delaying it. I was suggesting biting the bullet and build it all as soon as they planned to start this section. Maybe with Stimulus money we know is coming from the Feds, they could.

I do wonder what the real difference in costs for the section not being done wil be when they build it vs now.

Migrant_Coconut · #**10549** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 7:05 AM**

Except that a full UBC extension costs $6-7 billion; we have $3 billion. The entire point of Arbutus is that we literally can't build it all in one go, no matter how much we want to. Contractors don't work for free.

WRT the feds, they've already given $600 million to TransLink's operations, and I wouldn't expect much more for anything unless it's shovel-ready... which Arbutus-UBC is not.

dleung · #**10550** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 2:15 PM**

Lincoln station was added to the Evergreen line after construction started, right? Hopefully common sense prevails soon enough.

I'm surprised UBC isn't going "Look at YorkU, they're in the middle of an industrial wasteland flanked by hydro corridors and freeways and they get TWO opulent subway stations on a $3B line that doesn't stop anywhere remotely urban"

dpogue · #**10551** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

Lincoln station was added to the Evergreen line after construction started, right? Hopefully common sense prevails soon enough.

No, it was added after the original plan was set out, maybe after the RFP had closed, but definitely before construction had actually started.

The problem that everyone is glossing over is that we have not done the prerequisite work for the UBC extension past Arbutus. That's in-progress, but will take several years to complete. We don't have detailed geological samples yet, we don't have community consultation done, we don't have station locations decided and land acquisition done, we don't have detailed construction designs, etc.

All the agreements and partnerships and funding to build to Arbutus are ready. It would end up further delaying the project to tear all that up and start over for the full extension to UBC right now. Not to mention the lack of funding for the complete project.

dleung · #**10552** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 3:48 PM**

I think at least the station locations are obvious:

Macdonald (SW corner)
Alma (Broadway SE corner)
Jericho (future a-la Capstan way station - somewhere north of 8th ave)
Sasamat (10th Ave SE corner)
UBC (University Blvd east of E Mall)

Hasn't this been studied to death since the 1990's...

WarrenC12 · #**10553** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 4:27 PM**

^^^^

It has, and it will come. This stuff is damn slow, at least there is an active project underway.

SpongeG · #**10554** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 5:33 PM**

isn't Translink obligated to complete the surrey expo line extension too before it can think of UBC?

dleung · #**10555** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 7:16 PM**

Ugh, instead of "every resident in Metro Vancouver gets x-dollars of subway investment within 5km of their home" whether they use it or not, how bout they build it where the ridership demands it...

Also, why is Fairview station not on Oak but on Laurel? It's not like there isn't a underutilized site right at the SW corner...

WarrenC12 · #**10556** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 7:27 PM**

Closer to VGH is my guess, and they are building on some pretty low density land IIRC.

Anorak · #**10557** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

I think at least the station locations are obvious:

Macdonald (SW corner)
Alma (Broadway SE corner)
Jericho (future a-la Capstan way station - somewhere north of 8th ave)
Sasamat (10th Ave SE corner)
UBC (University Blvd east of E Mall)

Hasn't this been studied to death since the 1990's...

I believe the Stadium and Wesbrook village would also be part of the plan.

jollyburger · #**10558** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 8:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

Also, why is Fairview station not on Oak but on Laurel? It's not like there isn't a underutilized site right at the SW corner...

Laurel is more central than Oak for the VGH campus. The only person in the city that might think Oak is a better location is the owner of that building on the SW corner.

cganuelas1995 · #**10559** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 8:42 PM**

I hope they add some provisions for pedestrian scrambles at major stations like at Granville, Cambie, and Arbutus.

dleung · #**10560** Posted **Jul 23, 2020, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Laurel is more central than Oak for the VGH campus. The only person in the city that might think Oak is a better location is the owner of that building on the SW corner.

You got me lol. It just seems more intuitive if the platform was mid-block, with separate entrances at Laurel and Oak.

I guess the Oak street buses will loop around the block as the terminus of their route to facilitate connections to the station.