The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread - Page 52

Corndogger · #**1021** Posted **Jun 8, 2020, 11:51 PM**

AOC is blaming overfunding of the military for the militarization of police forces in the U.S. She's claiming that if there weren't spare tanks lying around police forces wouldn't be getting them. If people start calling for cuts to the military given the current state of the world we're screwed. Police forces in Canada could easily handle cuts to their budgets but our military needs a big increase and much better weapons.

Corndogger · #**1022** Posted **Jun 8, 2020, 11:55 PM**

Is Justin going to be able to top this guy from Sweden? This is fucking embarrassing!

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1270136382682550278

Corndogger · #**1023** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:09 AM**

Video of state troopers and deputies from the Anoka County Sheriff's office slashing tires at protests on 5/31 in Minneapolis under orders from the state-led Multiagency Command Center. Even news crews and medics had their tires slashed.

https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1270059322806923264

Corndogger · #**1024** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:23 AM**

Feel bad for the police chief as it looks like she was not the problem at all.

Portland police chief resigns, African American lieutenant promoted amid George Floyd protests

By Peter Martinez

June 8, 2020 / 4:52 PM / CBS News

The Portland Police Bureau chief announced her resignation Monday after six months on the job and 10 straight nights of protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, CBS Portland, Oregon, affiliate KOIN-TV reports. Lieutenant Chuck Lovell, an African American man, will take over the role previously held by Jami Resch, effective immediately.

The Portland Police Bureau had been facing scrutiny over the lack of black leadership in its ranks. Three black civic groups addressed a letter to Resch, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler and City Council commissioners to address the issue. Monday's announcement also came after a weekend of protests over Floyd's death, racial injustice and police brutality. In Portland, there were almost 100 arrests in recent days during the protests, KOIN-TV said.

"To say this was unexpected would be an understatement," Lovell said of Resch's resignation. "I told Chief Resch I would do everything in my power to help her during these challenging times."

Lovell also praised Resch's leadership as selfless, saying, "I don't know if I've worked directly for anyone who cares more for the people in our organizations or the people in the community."

"I'm humbled. I'm a public servant. I'm going to show up every day with a servant's heart," Lovell said. "All I can do is be me. I'm looking forward to this journey."

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Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-portlan...s-over-from-jami-resch-today-2020-06-08/

casper · #**1025** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

Metro Vancouver is just kind of messed up for historical reasons. VPD is only for the City of Vancouver while the RCMP operate in different municipalities (and in UBC). New Westminster (pop. 70,000 or so) has its own police too while Burnaby which surrounds it is RCMP. This has an effect on questions like where illegal dispensaries are allowed to operate.

Halifax has a similar thing. There's an HPD but it does not police the whole municipality because some amalgamated outer areas (the old "county") retained the RCMP. I believe the NS RCMP HQ is in an area they don't police.

I don't think it's like the old Bonnie and Clyde stories where the police have to watch you drive away if you get past some imaginary line.

My argument is the exact opposite.

Get away from the "city police officer" that is expected to deal with all crimes. Have more specialized officers then have them be part of the relevant department of government.

I think it is a good thing that the transit police are not part of the city police. They can more effectively be managed as part of Translink where their work can be tightly coupled with train and bus operations and the non-constable security personnel.

Having the police officers responsible for investigating child abuse and family violence be part of the agency that delivers family counseling should be a positive.

milomilo · #**1026** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

AOC is blaming overfunding of the military for the militarization of police forces in the U.S. She's claiming that if there weren't spare tanks lying around police forces wouldn't be getting them. If people start calling for cuts to the military given the current state of the world we're screwed. Police forces in Canada could easily handle cuts to their budgets but our military needs a big increase and much better weapons.

The American armed forces being over funded and other militaries being underfunded are two entirely separate things and can both be true at the same time. What AOC, probably correctly, says about the US military is irrelevant to Canada or other countries.

casper · #**1027** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

Everything you listed above gets instantly fixed by having one single Metro Vancouver Municipal PD while nothing else changes.

Montreal's been set up like this since forever (early 1970s at least).
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I would be more worried about the Montreal model than Vancouver.

I think more is to be gained by attached the police to relevant community service or government program that to go the other way.

Acajack · #**1028** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by lio45

On this facet, the Anglosphere (to us) is a bit like the Harry Potter universe: characters going about speaking of "You Know Who" and "The N Word".

Voldemor! There, I said his name!

WarrenC12 · #**1029** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

AOC is blaming overfunding of the military for the militarization of police forces in the U.S. She's claiming that if there weren't spare tanks lying around police forces wouldn't be getting them. If people start calling for cuts to the military given the current state of the world we're screwed. Police forces in Canada could easily handle cuts to their budgets but our military needs a big increase and much better weapons.

Our military? Is AOC saying the Canadian military should be cut?

Are you getting mixed up here?

The US military is drastically overfunded.

Acajack · #**1030** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

One of the common issues raised by the black community in the various news articles are randomly being pulled over by the police because they don't match someone stereotype. Perhaps shift responsibility for traffic violations to bylaw like officers that have that as their sole mandate. At that point they have no reason to pull anyone over for any reason other that how they drive their vehicle.

I don't agree with stopping people due to no reason because of racial profiling, but you should realize just how many real criminals who have warrants for their arrest get brought in due to routine traffic stops. Or just running plates of cars driving in front of you.

I believe Clifford Olson was finally apprehended thanks to a routine traffic stop. IIRC he had a kid with him in the vehicle who would have been victim number 12.

Acajack · #**1031** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

I won't pretend to be an authority on what's important to France but I always got the sense there's a big cutoff between metropolitan France and the rest.

There's no question that France has a lot of poor suburbs with limited opportunity that are populated by Algerians and other minorities, and that they have a strange history of allowing some temporary workers and then deporting most of them, etc. But then again you see plenty of people with an Algerian background who are successful in France and I don't get the impression there's a lot of overt racist sentiment toward them. The history is quite distinct from the United States.

There is racism in France too of course.

But the extreme fear of black males that you find in the U.S. is pretty unique in the world. I suppose it might also exist in some circles in South Africa too, though.

Acajack · #**1032** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

Feel bad for the police chief as it looks like she was not the problem at all.

Portland police chief resigns, African American lieutenant promoted amid George Floyd protests

By Peter Martinez

June 8, 2020 / 4:52 PM / CBS News

The Portland Police Bureau chief announced her resignation Monday after six months on the job and 10 straight nights of protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, CBS Portland, Oregon, affiliate KOIN-TV reports. Lieutenant Chuck Lovell, an African American man, will take over the role previously held by Jami Resch, effective immediately.

The Portland Police Bureau had been facing scrutiny over the lack of black leadership in its ranks. Three black civic groups addressed a letter to Resch, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler and City Council commissioners to address the issue. Monday's announcement also came after a weekend of protests over Floyd's death, racial injustice and police brutality. In Portland, there were almost 100 arrests in recent days during the protests, KOIN-TV said.

"To say this was unexpected would be an understatement," Lovell said of Resch's resignation. "I told Chief Resch I would do everything in my power to help her during these challenging times."

Lovell also praised Resch's leadership as selfless, saying, "I don't know if I've worked directly for anyone who cares more for the people in our organizations or the people in the community."

"I'm humbled. I'm a public servant. I'm going to show up every day with a servant's heart," Lovell said. "All I can do is be me. I'm looking forward to this journey."

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Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-portlan...s-over-from-jami-resch-today-2020-06-08/

I'd need more info on this. Did she do anything wrong in her job? Is the lack of representation of African-Americans something that is her doing?

Corndogger · #**1033** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Our military? Is AOC saying the Canadian military should be cut?

Are you getting mixed up here?

The US military is drastically overfunded.

Do not ever get tired of trying to pull this same stupid act over and over? Where did I say AOC said the Canadian military needs to be cut? Pay attention because this topic is a lot more complicated than what Milo thinks it is.

The U.S. military is not drastically overfunded. It's just funded a lot better than any other military but that does not mean it's overfunded. Or are you and Milo okay with having Putin and Xi as dual masters? I'm not which is why I'm advocating for a huge strengthening of our military before copycat clueless protesters here start asking for the same thing AOC and her band of nutcases are asking for in America.

Acajack · #**1034** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

Is Justin going to be able to top this guy from Sweden? This is fucking embarrassing!

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1270136382682550278

Well, that kinda backfired.

Acajack · #**1035** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Latin America also tends to resist formal classification by race, as though to do so would itself be racist. At the same time, they can seem incredibly race conscious/racist to NAmericans, even as racial mixing can be more common and relaxed than in the
Anglo Saxon world. It’s confusing.

Latin America is extremely non-PC.

I mean, they refer without blinking and in polite company to anyone who appears Asian as a "Chino". And if you say "wait a minute, he's actually Japanese", they'll answer "who gives a shit?".

Of course, while I am not familiar with all of the world's cultures, anglophone culture in general tends to be extremely PC. I guess you don't really notice when you're in the middle of it. It's just normalcy. Kinda like how a fish does not notice that water is wet.

Corndogger · #**1036** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I'd need more info on this. Did she do anything wrong in her job? Is the lack of representation of African-Americans something that is her doing?

Read the article again or even just what I posted. It's very clear she did nothing wrong. The guy taking over is praising her saying how good she was. She was only in the position for six months so lack of blacks on the force is not because of her.

Acajack · #**1037** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Depending on context, “colon”?
.

It's not a compliment, but no one would get up in arms if you quoted someone having said it.

For example, in a newspaper you might see this:

L'entraîneur des Patriotes a qualifié les partisans des Spartiates de "bande de colons".

Corndogger · #**1038** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by milomilo

The American armed forces being over funded and other militaries being underfunded are two entirely separate things and can both be true at the same time. What AOC, probably correctly, says about the US military is irrelevant to Canada or other countries.

What AOC says is nonsense 99.9% of the time. Problem is that protesters and those clamoring for change don't care if the situations are not exactly the same. If police and the military get cut in America they want the same to happen in their country. So far from what I've seen there's been nothing organic about the protests in Canada.

kwoldtimer · #**1039** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Latin America is extremely non-PC.

I mean, they refer without blinking and in polite company to anyone who appears Asian as a "Chino". And if you say "wait a minute, he's actually Japanese", they'll answer "who gives a shit?".

Of course, while I am not familiar with all of the world's cultures, anglophone culture in general tends to be extremely PC. I guess you don't really notice when you're in the middle of it. It's just normalcy. Kinda like how a fish does not notice that water is wet.

Odd that you think one doesn’t notice.

Acajack · #**1040** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 1:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Odd that you think one doesn’t notice.

At the very least, it is widely viewed as the only good way to be.

I mean, why would anyone not want to be like "us"?