HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #4321  
Old Posted May 14, 2020, 12:56 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truenorth00 View Post
The A220 is perfect for Ottawa. I hope DL eventually sends theirs our way.
I think E75s first is a bit more realistic. Probably more likely CR9, but the indicators were CRJs with more frequency pre-Covid.

Today’s departure count: 10
     
     
  #4322  
Old Posted May 15, 2020, 6:55 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Today's departure count: 8

Tomorrow’s departure count: 8

Last edited by Dominion301; May 16, 2020 at 1:36 AM.
     
     
  #4323  
Old Posted May 15, 2020, 7:53 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
YOW's April pax stats are now published. On my over/under 10,000 pax prediction, YOW was well under.

Sector / Apr-19 / Apr-20 / % Change
Dom: 321,291 / 6,654 / -97.9%
TB: 68,122 / 309 / -99.5%
Int'l: 32,194 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 421,607 / 6,963 / -98.3%

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 1,188,641 / 744,485 / -37.4%
TB: 282,548 / 162,339 / -42.5%
Int'l: 221,625 / 168,382 / -24.0%
TTL: 1,692,814 / 1,075,206 / -36.5%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 3,549,397 / -11.3%
TB: 566,088 / -21.5%
Int'l: 373,394 / -3.7%
TTL: 4,488,879 / -12.17%
     
     
  #4324  
Old Posted May 16, 2020, 3:27 PM
RomanR27 RomanR27 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,049
The 309 TB pax is jarring to look at. I know there were some days that had no TB flights, but there were some days I think with a couple. Those flights probably had 5-10 people max on them, I'm surprised airlines ran them.
     
     
  #4325  
Old Posted May 16, 2020, 6:54 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 29,138
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominion301 View Post
YOW's April pax stats are now published. On my over/under 10,000 pax prediction, YOW was well under.
Honestly believed it would be over. Wonder if May will be better or worse.
     
     
  #4326  
Old Posted May 16, 2020, 8:31 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by RomanR27 View Post
The 309 TB pax is jarring to look at. I know there were some days that had no TB flights, but there were some days I think with a couple. Those flights probably had 5-10 people max on them, I'm surprised airlines ran them.
Yeah DL and AA were flying about 5x weekly departures each on average meaning the average transborder flight had 6-7 pax aboard. The average domestic flight would have had more like 16-18.
     
     
  #4327  
Old Posted May 17, 2020, 3:39 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Today’s departure count: 10
     
     
  #4328  
Old Posted May 17, 2020, 4:17 PM
YOWhopeful YOWhopeful is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 183
Has anyone thought that maybe this crisis might be good for YOW in the long run? I’m thinking that in the post-Covid world, airport procedures will be so much longer and tedious that YUL and YYZ will quickly be at capacity. By that I mean the post-Covid airport capacity which would be a fraction of what it was before the crisis. Hence Air Canada might have no other choice but to use YOW in order to be able to grow if only for logistical reasons. YOW would be Air Canada’s overflow airport and it would be used as a secondary hub.
     
     
  #4329  
Old Posted May 17, 2020, 5:16 PM
Djeffery's Avatar
Djeffery Djeffery is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 6,368
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWhopeful View Post
Has anyone thought that maybe this crisis might be good for YOW in the long run? I’m thinking that in the post-Covid world, airport procedures will be so much longer and tedious that YUL and YYZ will quickly be at capacity. By that I mean the post-Covid airport capacity which would be a fraction of what it was before the crisis. Hence Air Canada might have no other choice but to use YOW in order to be able to grow if only for logistical reasons. YOW would be Air Canada’s overflow airport and it would be used as a secondary hub.
Demand is probably going to be as low or lower than whatever reduced capacity YYZ and YUL might have to operate under for the foreseeable future.
     
     
  #4330  
Old Posted May 18, 2020, 2:10 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Monday’s departure count: 10
     
     
  #4331  
Old Posted May 19, 2020, 12:05 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Today’s departure count is a new low: 6...and every single flight today is to YYZ.

AC have suspended YUL from today until the end of the month.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/route-updates.html#/na-1
     
     
  #4332  
Old Posted May 20, 2020, 1:57 PM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...cm/72d56336-003a-4efa-b8db-f1dfb9c34071/

Quote:
'I think the industry will adjust. This country needs to fly': Ottawa airport CEO Mark Laroche
     
     
  #4333  
Old Posted May 20, 2020, 2:27 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 29,138
Is there any infrastructure projects that could be advanced with the low traffic predicted for the next year or two?
     
     
  #4334  
Old Posted May 20, 2020, 5:12 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,723
Ottawa airport eyes more domestic flights as projected deficit balloons

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: May 19, 2020 5:24pm EDT


Ottawa airport officials say they expect the country’s major airlines to start adding more domestic flights to the nation’s capital as soon as next month, but add they expect to face a massive budget deficit over the next two years.

Mark Laroche, the president and CEO of the Ottawa International Airport Authority, said the airport will probably have to borrow in the range of $150 million over the next two years just to cover its operating expenses. He said the terminal is “losing money every day” as the number of daily flights arriving and departing from YOW has dwindled to about 15, compared with well over 100 before the pandemic began.

“It’s going to be a big number,” Laroche told OBJ Tuesday when asked about the projected deficit at the facility. “There’s no revenue coming in.”

The airport had earlier pegged its forecasted 2020 budget shortfall at between $50 million and $75 million. But Laroche said that number could climb even higher after passenger traffic at the facility plummeted over the past two months as the aviation industry all but came to a standstill.

Fewer than 7,000 passengers passed through YOW’s gates in April, down a whopping 98 per cent from a year earlier, thanks largely to a ban on all international flights and most flights from the United States. To put that number into context, the total number of passengers in April was less than half of the more than 14,000 travellers who used the airport on an average day in February.

Just 309 passengers on Canada-U.S. flights passed through the airport last month, compared with more than 68,000 a year earlier. International traffic, which accounted for 32,000 passengers in April 2019, completely evaporated last month.

Air Canada and WestJet are expected to start adding a few more flights to their Ottawa schedules in June, Laroche said, adding he’s hopeful that Porter Airlines – which announced last month it was extending the temporary suspension of all its flights until June 29 – will resume its routes at the end of next month.

“We’re hoping that we’ll see some domestic pickup in June, but it all remains to be seen,” he said, adding “there’s no guarantees.”

In addition, Laroche said Delta plans to resume its regular Ottawa-Detroit routes at some point next month, although the Canada-U.S. border is still expected to be closed to all but essential travel until at least June 21. On Tuesday, an American Airlines flight from Philadelphia was the only arrival from south of the border, while there were no departures scheduled to go to the U.S.

Laroche said airlines are seeing “slight increases” in passenger bookings as the pandemic continues, but he said it’s still way too early to predict any type of real resurgence in domestic air travel.

“If (airlines) don’t have (sufficient) bookings, they just cancel the flight,” he said. “Everyone is flying blind a bit on projections.”

During a conference call with reporters in early April, Laroche suggested it will take years for the Ottawa airport to match its 2019 passenger numbers, and late last month the Canadian Airports Council predicted the country’s airport terminals would lose as much as $2 billion in revenues this year.

After drawing 5.1 million passengers in 2019, the Ottawa airport is on pace to see roughly three million travellers in 2020 ​– but the terminal is not likely to welcome anywhere close to that number as long as travel restrictions remain in place.

The CEO said the airport authority is looking at laying off as many as 30 employees, or about a quarter of its full-time workforce, in an effort to rein in expenses. At least $35 million worth of non-essential capital expenditures, including the construction of new concessions, have already been put on hold.

Meanwhile, a project that will see the passenger screening area moved from the second to third floor and redesigned to allow for greater physical distancing resumed on Tuesday after the province gave the green light to restart most construction activity in Ontario.

On Tuesday, Laroche reiterated that the industry faces a long uphill battle.

“There’s going to be a lot of adjustments in the aviation sector, so we do not know when it will be back,” he said. “I think it would be extremely optimistic to think that it’s going to be back within the next two years. Things are going to change.”

https://www.obj.ca/article/ottawa-airport-eyes-more-domestic-flights-projected-deficit-balloons
     
     
  #4335  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 1:11 AM
Dominion301 Dominion301 is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 6,013
Today’s departure count was 9.

Thursday’s departure count: 8

Until the end of May, the latest departures of the day are at 1600! Today saw 3 1600 departures along with AA about 1/2 hr earlier, meaning almost 1/2 the flights today departed within minutes.
     
     
  #4336  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 3:01 PM
MountainView MountainView is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominion301 View Post
Today’s departure count was 9.

Thursday’s departure count: 8

Until the end of May, the latest departures of the day are at 1600! Today saw 3 1600 departures along with AA about 1/2 hr earlier, meaning almost 1/2 the flights today departed within minutes.
If you want to get your airplane fix in, the Fed-Ex and CargoJet flights both usually leave around 7:50-8:30 pm and almost always take off on 25 and can watch them from Alert Road.

All winter I was looking forward to the inaugural Lufthansa flight which would have happened last week. Hopefully spotting will be fun again in 1-2 years and I will be able to take my kid.
     
     
  #4337  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 3:06 PM
RomanR27 RomanR27 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,049
I was looking forward to going to see the final B763 from LHR come in and then the Dreamliner coming in later on April 1st. Now I have the A333 next month to look forward to (if that doesn't get cancelled too).
     
     
  #4338  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 5:58 PM
MountainView MountainView is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by RomanR27 View Post
I was looking forward to going to see the final B763 from LHR come in and then the Dreamliner coming in later on April 1st. Now I have the A333 next month to look forward to (if that doesn't get cancelled too).
Unfortunately, YOW-LHR has been pushed back until at least July 30th now.
     
     
  #4339  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 6:07 PM
MountainView MountainView is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,187
It does look like YVR (daily) and YHZ (5x week) are returning June 1. (A320 and CRJ-900).

AC have blocked the middle seats on the 320 and aisle seats on the regional jet based off the seat selection tool.
     
     
  #4340  
Old Posted May 21, 2020, 6:38 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 29,138
Hey. Looks like the era is 321LRs and direct flights will happen earlier. Hopefully not from YYZ and YUL first though.....
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:06 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.