YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

FYI right now there are 22 Intl heavies heading into/out of YYZ. 15 of those are on AC.

YVR has 10 total including all carriers right now. Highest I saw yesterday at any one time was 19 for YVR.

That’s it for Canadian airports as of this moment.

How's YUL been fairing lately? Lots of action from French speaking countries?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

How's YUL been fairing lately? Lots of action from French speaking countries?

Don’t really follow it but if you go to FR24 and filter any airport you can see flights live. Certainly not many right now (2 - both AC).

AC just sent a 77W YVR-LAX even.

MU had its colourful “Greenland Group” coloured livery in today... heading back to PVG now.

Hope that guy filming YVR action is getting all these amazing liveries that have been visiting lately.

Don’t really follow the narrow bodies much but AA has been running twice daily DFW-YVR last few days...

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Denscity

How's YUL been fairing lately? Lots of action from French speaking countries?

AC currently has 2 flights in the air from YUL to CDG & LHR. They also serve FRA too.
There's a Flair flight headed to GUA right now.
AF maintains a few flights per week to CDG.
TU appears to operate the occasional flight to TUN.

Overall not too bad.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

AC currently has 2 flights in the air from YUL to CDG & LHR. They also serve FRA too.
There's a Flair flight headed to GUA right now.
AF maintains a few flights per week to CDG.
TU appears to operate the occasional flight to TUN.

Overall not too bad.

and QR to DOH. that's about it. LH was operating to FRA in April as well, but that is no longer the case I think.

Some weird stuff on occasion, but nothing crazy. It's been a few days now a Hi Fly A340 has been flying from TAO (Qingdao, China) to YUL.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-sol

YMX has also seen a small uptick in cargo movements. Western Global has been running MD-11s from Asia to YMX via ANC on a steady basis lately.

[hollywoodcory]

A few updates:

WS appears to have planned a possible June 26 resumption of YVR-LAX, the rest are suspended until July 4. The flights from June 26-July 4 are only open in full fare, so I expect further changes to that.

AC has cancelled YVR-TPE until March 2021.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...aipei-reservation-until-late-march-2021/

[Johnny Aussie]

Another unique livery on its way... Xiamen is flying its “United Dream” 789 XMN-YVR now.

Xiamen appears to be flying daily at the moment.

Also, Hainan operating both PEK and PVG again today.

MU also has its SkyTeam liveried 332 on the ground about to head back to PVG.

[whatnext]

Layoffs at YVR and some scary traffic projections:

The Vancouver Airport Authority is issuing layoff notices on Monday (May 11) as it expects to have half the passengers – or less – travelling through its gates over the next three years.

YVR is expecting its annual passenger numbers to drop from 26 million - pre-COVID-19 numbers - to between eight and 15 million. After offering voluntary departure packages at the end of April, the airport authority made the decision to next start layoffs.

The airport authority normally employs 550 people, but they plan to reduce this by 25 per cent, laying off both management and unionized workers....

https://biv.com/article/2020/05/yvr-airport-authority-issues-layoff-notices

[zahav]

Speaking of traffic, the March stats are now posted at yvr.ca; I can't even post them here, so bleak as expected, I don't want to be reminded

[libtard]

All YVR’s projects have come to a stand still aswell. The geothermal exchange building is half done. With no plans to restart any of the projects. Looks like YVR’s grand ideas are going to be sitting idle for a while half finished

[Johnny Aussie]

Was anyone expecting pax stats to be good? I can’t imagine any airport would have “good” stats. Each airport that I’ve seen stats for is down over 40% YOY in March.

This is not unique to YVR folks. This is global.

And the next CZ A380 is on its way. Has it already been another week?

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by libtard

All YVR’s projects have come to a stand still aswell. The geothermal exchange building is half done. With no plans to restart any of the projects. Looks like YVR’s grand ideas are going to be sitting idle for a while half finished

Most frustrating is probably the 99% complete D Pier expansion which was set to open in June.

I'm sure the parkade and geothermal buildings will re-start as traffic improves perhaps later this year.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Most frustrating is probably the 99% complete D Pier expansion which was set to open in June.

I'm sure the parkade and geothermal buildings will re-start as traffic improves perhaps later this year.

YVR is expecting 8 million passengers for the next 3 years. It’ll be a half finished construction site until at least 2023

[casper]

Originally Posted by libtard

YVR is expecting 8 million passengers for the next 3 years. It’ll be a half finished construction site until at least 2023

I have not been to the airport in a little while. Did they at least get it to the point where the building envelopes are complete.

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Was anyone expecting pax stats to be good? I can’t imagine any airport would have “good” stats. Each airport that I’ve seen stats for is down over 40% YOY in March.

This is not unique to YVR folks. This is global.

And the next CZ A380 is on its way. Has it already been another week?

Yeah, and April will be even worse, of course... There is speculation that when things return to 'normal', due to changes in airline sanitation and airport protocols etc that airfares will be quite a bit higher on average than pre covid19 and there will be much less business & leisure travel - further cutting PAX numbers for a long while.

Cross border traffic US/CAN via auto is down ~90% in April, too. I feel for the people that work in the tourism/hospitality industry...

Xiamen - Has China relaxed it rules - one Canadian city per week, per airline? Or is it cargo?

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Most frustrating is probably the 99% complete D Pier expansion which was set to open in June.

I'm sure the parkade and geothermal buildings will re-start as traffic improves perhaps later this year.

I imagine that those YVR projects would have been fully financed/funded before being tendered and awarded. It is probably a YVR policy on distancing/sanitation etc right now that has brought them to a halt (YVR does save progress payments for a reasonable cause). You can't just cancel a project that has been awarded to a contractor unless there is a 'force majeure' clause in the contract that covers pandemics.. or there is a some sort of contractural default on the part of the contractor. Otherwise the contractor would sue YVR for the value of lost work.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

I imagine that those YVR projects would have been fully financed/funded before being tendered and awarded. It is probably a YVR policy on distancing/sanitation etc right now that has brought them to a halt (YVR does save progress payments for a reasonable cause). You can't just cancel a project that has been awarded to a contractor unless there is a 'force majeure' clause in the contract that covers pandemics.. or there is a some sort of contractural default on the part of the contractor. Otherwise the contractor would sue YVR for the value of lost work.

This is not true. Construction sites are one of the few places that are still allowing workers to be there. YVR has completely shut them down while other construction sites around Vancouver remain active.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Yeah, and April will be even worse, of course... There is speculation that when things return to 'normal', due to changes in airline sanitation and airport protocols etc that airfares will be quite a bit higher on average than pre covid19 and there will be much less business & leisure travel - further cutting PAX numbers for a long while.

Cross border traffic US/CAN via auto is down ~90% in April, too. I feel for the people that work in the tourism/hospitality industry...

Xiamen - Has China relaxed it rules - one Canadian city per week, per airline? Or is it cargo?

Yes very unfortunate. It’s terrible. So many variables at play here trying to predict the future is pretty tough as well. Future planning would be a nightmare when you don’t even know the slightest what your market is going to be.

Most flights are cargo only but Xiamen, Hainan, China Southern, China Eastern and Sichuan are still flying multiple times per week into YVR. Air China seems to be the only Chinese carrier doing one flight per week to YVR now. Previously they were 3-4 times per week in April and early May. EVA another standout as they are “scheduled” for one flight a week but they are flying 5 times per week now. NH is another airline flying more than what’s been scheduled. In fact seems most Asian carriers are doing that... the ones that are still flying to YVR anyway.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by casper

I have not been to the airport in a little while. Did they at least get it to the point where the building envelopes are complete.

Pier D expansion : looks just about complete from an exterior perspective

Parkade : about 1/3 of the structure built

Geothermal Exchange : just beginning construction of the structure

[moosejaw]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

You can't just cancel a project that has been awarded to a contractor unless there is a 'force majeure' clause in the contract that covers pandemics.. or there is a some sort of contractural default on the part of the contractor.

Sure you can
Plenty of my projects are being out on hold
There’s always language in any contract that protects at least one or more parties. Usually the end user with a fair payout to the general contractor for costs incurred to put the project on hold

[dharper]

I thought I saw something about stopping construction at YVR before. Go to 2:48 of this Craig Richmond video from YVR.CA, from March 27.
https://www.yvr.ca/en/blog/craigs-corner-important-covid19-update