YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Limited frequency allowed + high enough demand?

This. Lots of people and things want to move from point A to point B and they can only do it infrequently.

Curious george in me is wondering if its possible to rig up a double decked plane like the 380 with one deck with people, and one deck with cargo for maximum efficiency

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

China wants to avoid infections entering its country due to travel. So they are restricting their airlines from operating more than one passenger flight per week to any given country.

I'm just surprised there's even enough people to fill one plane a week.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I'm just surprised there's even enough people to fill one plane a week.

I would highly doubt any of the passenger flights are full.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I would highly doubt any of the passenger flights are full.

Capacity is limited to 75%, and all outbound flights toward China are "full" to the capacity.

Even most Air Canada flights to China in early to mid-June are full. And AFAIK, they don't even have the permission to operate those flights yet due to the one flight per route per airline restriction.

Tons of people trying to get back to China after the school was closed and university going into summer break, but they cannot get a seat due to frequency limitation and restriction on connecting traffic all over the world. Even if there are few remaining seats available, airlines are selling them at outrageous price (YVR-CAN, for example, is selling at $9087 one-way, and YVR-XMN is $8596). This is actually causing huge complaints within China. This is why the A380 is needed.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

Capacity is limited to 75%, and all outbound flights toward China are "full" to the capacity.

Even most Air Canada flights to China in early to mid-June are full. And AFAIK, they don't even have the permission to operate those flights yet due to the one flight per route per airline restriction.

Tons of people trying to get back to China after the school was closed and university going into summer break, but they cannot get a seat due to frequency limitation and restriction on connecting traffic all over the world. Even if there are few remaining seats available, airlines are selling them at outrageous price (YVR-CAN, for example, is selling at $9087 one-way, and YVR-XMN is $8596). This is actually causing huge complaints within China. This is why the A380 is needed.

Wow, I just did a quick check and just saw the prices. Can't even buy a ticket for the next 2 weeks even if you wanted to pay. Direct to China destinations that is... didn't bother with transfers since so many countries don't even allow transfers and its so hard to keep track of whos allowing them.

[Johnny Aussie]

The second Vietnam Airlines 359 is on its way from HAN. This time the routing is HAN-YVR-HAN only.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The second Vietnam Airlines 359 is on its way from HAN. This time the routing is HAN-YVR-HAN only.

According to flightradar24, seems like there is another one scheduled for tomorrow?

[Nites]

How do they load pallets onto a commercial passenger jet anyway? Obviously you can't just grab a pallet jack and load them. This must mean that every single box must be hand bombed into the cabin.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by skymaster

How do they load pallets onto a commercial passenger jet anyway? Obviously you can't just grab a pallet jack and load them. This must mean that every single box must be hand bombed into the cabin.

A Euro Pallet should fit in a cabin door.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by skymaster

How do they load pallets onto a commercial passenger jet anyway? Obviously you can't just grab a pallet jack and load them. This must mean that every single box must be hand bombed into the cabin.

Pretty much, yes.

Don't know about Boeing, but on Airbus models, the pallets are fitted onto the floor tracks. Each pallet then needs to be "loaded" manually. Netting is used to secure the cargo. One pallet can hold about 260 kg of cargo.

About 30 pallets can be installed on an A350, 28 on an A330.

Under EASA regulations (European equivalent of Transport Canada), along with the pilots the aircraft must carry trained fire monitors – typically three cabin crew – who must be seated away from the cargo and perform regular safety walks, carrying portable oxygen, to check for any sign of smoke or fire – including in the overhead bins. These monitors must also be able to tackle an outbreak with regular cabin equipment. Regulations also forbid any cargo classified as dangerous goods to be transported in the modified passenger cabin.

Source: flightglobal

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Please excuse a question: are Qatar Airways flying freight? Are their flights to YVR for repatriation, or what?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-...nes-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-1.5557612

In India, Qatar Airways is collecting the largest number of Canadians being repatriated from a single country. So far, 21 chartered Qatar Airways flights carrying more than 4,000 people have touched down in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

A Euro Pallet should fit in a cabin door.

They said the Airbus conversions bring in empty standard PKC pallets and attach them to the seat rails. So it sounds like those aren't being wheeled in with cargo.

[Johnny Aussie]

Hainan operating from both PEK (332) and PVG (333) today. And CX also flying two flights into YVR today (a 77W and a 359).

[Denscity]

Wow sounds like YVR is quite busy compared to most airports.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Wow sounds like YVR is quite busy compared to most airports.

Compared to other Canadian airports for international ops yes... YYZ also seeing plenty... and lots of activity in SYD and MEL in Australia as well.

Just go to FR24 and filter YVR and you’ll see. Right now 16 intl heavies to/from YVR... AC x5, HU x2, VN, CX x2, NH, MF x2, BR, CZ and W8 in the air now.

Lots of unusual movements (like QR, VN and the CZ 388 for example) that YVR doesn’t normally see. Speaking of QR, yet another one now on its way from DOH.

Cheap entertainment.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YYZ also seeing plenty

Maybe it was just the day of the week I happened to be in YYZ, but terminal three had just three international flights on the board that day: KLM, BA, and PIA.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

Maybe it was just the day of the week I happened to be in YYZ, but terminal three had just three international flights on the board that day: KLM, BA, and PIA.

Just filter FR24 to YYZ and you will see plenty. Very few flights are carrying passengers... many airports have become pseudo cargo hubs.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

According to flightradar24, seems like there is another one scheduled for tomorrow?

Doesn’t look like that one is going ahead. Lately the departure and arrival listings for each airport haven’t been very accurate. Some flights complete and then “fall off” a city’s departure or arrival list. And some that are listed (such as the VN flight you saw) don’t occur or the departure time is wrong and the flight eventually does happen.
Only way I’ve been able to track activity is just watching FR24 live. Also, another thing happening quite a bit is the destination isn’t listed while an aircraft is airborne... you can sort of guess where it’s going but until it actually lands can be a bit of a mystery.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Wow sounds like YVR is quite busy compared to most airports.

The only major airport that has really seen major losses in Canada in regards to international ops is YYC. YYZ/YVR have been benefiting from repatriation flights, and YUL has retained some of its international ops. YYC has seen a single international flight carrying pax in the last month. If you told me 2 months ago that AA would have a stronger presence in May/June than AC & WS entire international/US ops combined, I would have called you crazy.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

The only major airport that has really seen major losses in Canada in regards to international ops is YYC. YYZ/YVR have been benefiting from repatriation flights, and YUL has retained some of its international ops. YYC has seen a single international flight carrying pax in the last month. If you told me 2 months ago that AA would have a stronger presence in May/June than AC & WS entire international/US ops combined, I would have called you crazy.

Wow haha!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just filter FR24 to YYZ and you will see plenty. Very few flights are carrying passengers... many airports have become pseudo cargo hubs.

FYI right now there are 22 Intl heavies heading into/out of YYZ. 15 of those are on AC.

YVR has 10 total including all carriers right now. Highest I saw yesterday at any one time was 19 for YVR.

That’s it for Canadian airports as of this moment.