Great Canadian Skyline Thread II - Page 641

goodgrowth · #**12801** Posted **Apr 22, 2020, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

I`ve looked at Saint John quite a bit via Google Earth 3D and streeview.What potential this little city has. Such a shame that it`s been left behind, not only by Canada, but by it`s own province.

It`s crying out for redevelopment, but with it`s 3rd tier status in canada`s 3rd tier province I Don't see how this could ever happen. Any ideas?

Run TV ads in Ontario and BC showcasing the area and the average price of homes...

cpnfantstk · #**12802** Posted **Apr 22, 2020, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by craner

What is the brown strip running up Stantec - I thought that shaft was clad with glass spandrel ?

That strip isn't brown (sunshine). It's grey/black and it bothers me like nothing else. They better put glass there. Looks like a band aid. Stantec design , while basic, I don't mind it although it's a far cry from the original renders. Don't cheapen it further by leaving it that way. They did JW Marriot, Edmonton Tower and Rogers Place right. Why do that to their tallest structure?

SaskScraper · #**12803** Posted **Apr 22, 2020, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

Kelowna feels a bit different though, they went from essentially no tall buildings to having a distinct skyline in a very short time (vs Niagara Falls, KWC, etc). Last time I was in Kelowna (~7 years ago) there were maybe 2-3 buildings over 10 storeys in the entire city. Now it seems like all they build are towers.

It would be interesting to see if Kamloops or Abbotsford follow suit. Or maybe an eastern city not known for highrises like St. John's, Moncton, Sherbrooke or Guelph.

Kelowna has come a long ways in a short period of time. My impression of the city during drive through visits was that it had a quaint lake side setting in mountain valley, minus being at the top for homeless per capita of any other place in Canada, Kelowna has a lot of natural beauty to work with, even if their build form has been slow to grow.

I'd love to see the smaller cities in the east grow their skylines as well, some added height to what would be lower sized skylines for their populations. I draw a bit of a blank when it comes to thinking of what Sherbrooke, Guelph etc skylines even look like.

lio45 · #**12804** Posted **Apr 22, 2020, 9:29 PM**

Sherbrooke has no skyline, the city is built in hills that are taller than the tallest buildings.

Hali87 · #**12805** Posted **Apr 22, 2020, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

I`ve looked at Saint John quite a bit via Google Earth 3D and streeview.What potential this little city has. Such a shame that it`s been left behind, not only by Canada, but by it`s own province.

It`s crying out for redevelopment, but with it`s 3rd tier status in canada`s 3rd tier province I Don't see how this could ever happen. Any ideas?

They could start by contacting the agency that does the Newfoundland ads. The area has a lot of attractive qualities but it's not an intuitive place for people to move to or even visit. Any efforts from the Province of NB to "boost" SJ would realistically need to be balanced with equivalent gestures in Moncton, Fredericton, and probably the North/Francophone-specific areas as well. I think what it really needs is somewhat increased immigration along with better marketing in the ROC + New England. It could be a fantastic place to live if more people lived there.

Aside from that, I guess if any industries that centre specifically on the Bay of Fundy ever take off then Saint John would probably boom.

Monolith · #**12806** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 3:31 AM**

City side-lighting at sunset by Todd Martin, on Flickr

Chadillaccc · #**12807** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 3:58 AM**

https://robmosesphotography.com/?s=calgary

Rico Rommheim · #**12808** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:29 AM**

Saint John NB is basically the answer to the hypothetical question what if Lower-Westmount was it's own city by the Bay of Fundy?

lio45 · #**12809** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

They could start by contacting the agency that does the Newfoundland ads.

Even easier - they could just recycle the ads "as is". Most people probably wouldn't notice the extra apostrophe and s.

craner · #**12810** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

They could start by contacting the agency that does the Newfoundland ads. The area has a lot of attractive qualities but it's not an intuitive place for people to move to or even visit. Any efforts from the Province of NB to "boost" SJ would realistically need to be balanced with equivalent gestures in Moncton, Fredericton, and probably the North/Francophone-specific areas as well. I think what it really needs is somewhat increased immigration along with better marketing in the ROC + New England. It could be a fantastic place to live if more people lived there.

That’s a great line.

Metro-One · #**12811** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 6:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

Ah! It would have been the Landmark area I guess, if that's the sort of midground area away from the lake. I guess the buildings by the lake never really registered as towers - the only time I was really in Kelowna was to buy a car so I could drive to Revelstoke - but, sure enough.

That last Calgary photo is fantastic.

I would say while Kelowna has had tower for a while only recently has it developed a very distinct core. (and by recently I mean right now, haha). In other words the cluster of towers downtown have hit a critical mass in becoming an actual skyline.

Currently there are two more towers in the downtown area under construction that are at or just above grade now that will add even more to the skyline this year

TorontoDrew · #**12812** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 4:01 PM**

Source: urbantoronto.ca
Aerial view from south of Kipling Station, image by Forum contributor Jasonzed

Transformers and Skylines

scryer · #**12813** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

Aside from that, I guess if any industries that centre specifically on the Bay of Fundy ever take off then Saint John would probably boom.

That might very well happen after the COVID-19 crisis depending on the industry....

Cheaper land, an established operating port, and a charming downtown seems like a good opportunity for toilet paper manufacturers to consider setting up camp

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JHikka · #**12814** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 4:54 PM**

Saint John (along with Fredericton and Moncton) were already setting real estate records in 2019. No advertisements needed.

As much as I am on Team Economic Diversification I can't see how oil having a negative value will affect the oil refinery in SJ positively in the long term.

isaidso · #**12815** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by someone123

New Brunswick is a lot like Ontario. In fact Moncton is almost the same as Kingston and Fredericton is almost the same as Peterborough climate-wise. Saint John has a bit more marine influence.

(NB along with the rest of the Maritimes has an undeserved reputation for bad weather within Canada.)

Fredericton has full-on winters with consistent snow cover and below 0 temperatures for long periods while Saint John is right at the boundary of that, with a little bit more rain than snow in the winter months and fog.

I suspect that people view the climate of the Maritimes as an extension of Quebec. In winter, when one drives from Toronto to Montreal it gets colder and snowier. One then travels northeast towards Quebec City and Gaspe, so even colder and snowier.

I don't think it occurs to most that one then drives south to the Maritimes and that most of the population are at similar latitudes to southern Ontario. Then there's the mitigating factors that being next to the ocean brings. Most Torontonians react with disbelief when I tell them that Halifax and Toronto have very similar winter temperatures. Statistically, Halifax is actually a little milder due to the moderating effects of the Atlantic Ocean. Conversely, the ocean makes Halifax summers cool by Toronto standards.

I prefer the winter in Halifax and the summer in Toronto.

goodgrowth · #**12816** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

I suspect that people view the climate of the Maritimes as an extension of Quebec. In winter, when one drives from Toronto to Montreal it gets colder and snowier. One then travels northeast towards Quebec City and Gaspe, so even colder and snowier.

I don't think it occurs to most that one then drives south to the Maritimes and that most of the population are at similar latitudes to southern Ontario. Then there's the mitigating factors that being next to the ocean brings.

From a weather perspective if you can live in Ottawa or Montreal you can live in NB. And you could make an argument that Halifax beats everything east of Kingston.

So yeah a lot of the weather perceptions of the Maritimes are exaggerated.

Coldrsx · #**12817** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Monolith

City side-lighting at sunset by Todd Martin, on Flickr

I miss Seasons in the park.

Sonog · #**12818** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 5:49 PM**

@jefrosonic

Hali87 · #**12819** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

That might very well happen after the COVID-19 crisis depending on the industry....

Cheaper land, an established operating port, and a charming downtown seems like a good opportunity for toilet paper manufacturers to consider setting up camp

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I think they actually do make toilet paper there

historically that's part of why the pollution was so bad - paper factories and such.

someone123 · #**12820** Posted **Apr 23, 2020, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

They could start by contacting the agency that does the Newfoundland ads. The area has a lot of attractive qualities but it's not an intuitive place for people to move to or even visit. Any efforts from the Province of NB to "boost" SJ would realistically need to be balanced with equivalent gestures in Moncton, Fredericton, and probably the North/Francophone-specific areas as well. I think what it really needs is somewhat increased immigration along with better marketing in the ROC + New England. It could be a fantastic place to live if more people lived there.

I don't know about New Brunswick specifically but I find that in Nova Scotia there was historically a lot of tall poppy syndrome that made it difficult to capitalize on specific advantages. Uptown SJ is a special area but it's hard to boost it much if anything you do there has to be done everywhere else. Actually it's even worse than that because the baseline level of amenities in most of rural NB is much worse than uptown SJ.

Upper Clements kind of reminded me of that. The biggest amusement park in NS was a government-built facility in an isolated part of the province designed to bring jobs to an economically challenged area. Amusing people was secondary for this amusement park.

Hopefully this culture is dying somewhat. It doesn't seem as bad in NS as it used to be. NB likewise needs to capitalize on specific advantages to do well in the future. It will be a struggle to attract people to generic small town NB.