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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 9:02 PM
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 9:09 PM
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That tower would never have been built if it had to rely on local buyers.
Luckily it was and paid 10's, possibly 100's of millions to our government.

Plus while I am not a fan of the architecture it is a landmark and improves the prestige of this city.

Also one member of my extended family is moving in, so thats one local. They bought their unit for $400k at the start I believe, was a steal. And the developer is still doing some warranty work and repairs so they haven't moved in yet. Thus the lightless exterior of many of the units which has morons screaming foreign buyers empty condos.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 10:04 PM
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So?
That was more in response to the commentators at the linked website.

What would have been built would have been an ordinary tower, which is fine, but given the prices of other ordinary towers in town (for a variety of reasons) the units in an ordinary tower wouldn't necessarily have been affordable either.

So the as-built gives Vancouver some architectural credibility (and a stupidly expensive art piece) for the public to ooh and awe about.
All cities have some standout architectural buildings, but they are usually office buildings or cultural institutions.

I didn't think that the building would be fully open for move-in as there's still a lot of protective wrap on the aluminum panels.

PS - I'm not generally a fan of top-heavy building designs, but I do like the grids and inset balconies which provide bold graphic statements, which are usually lacking in Vancouver condo towers.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 11:11 PM
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That was more in response to the commentators at the linked website.

What would have been built would have been an ordinary tower, which is fine, but given the prices of other ordinary towers in town (for a variety of reasons) the units in an ordinary tower wouldn't necessarily have been affordable either.

So the as-built gives Vancouver some architectural credibility (and a stupidly expensive art piece) for the public to ooh and awe about.
All cities have some standout architectural buildings, but they are usually office buildings or cultural institutions.

I didn't think that the building would be fully open for move-in as there's still a lot of protective wrap on the aluminum panels.

PS - I'm not generally a fan of top-heavy building designs, but I do like the grids and inset balconies which provide bold graphic statements, which are usually lacking in Vancouver condo towers.
Architectural credibility doesn't make a city any more liveable. The buy and flip mentality definitely makes it less so. The horrendous way Vancouver House meets the ground is perfectly emblematic of this building: all flash and no substance.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2020, 11:40 PM
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Architectural credibility doesn't make a city any more liveable. The buy and flip mentality definitely makes it less so. The horrendous way Vancouver House meets the ground is perfectly emblematic of this building: all flash and no substance.
Architectural ingenuity absolutely makes a city more livable. People can flip housing with or without good architecture. Flips happen when the buyer feels the home is worth more than the price it could be attained, so the buyer is willing to shoulder some risks to hold the inventory. If the property isn't actually worth more, the buyer loses money.

The act of flipping housing does not in itself make housing more expensive, merely the process through which the prices arrive at the inevitable.

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Old Posted Apr 9, 2020, 12:28 AM
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Luckily it was and paid 10's, possibly 100's of millions to our government.

Plus while I am not a fan of the architecture it is a landmark and improves the prestige of this city.

Also one member of my extended family is moving in, so thats one local. They bought their unit for $400k at the start I believe, was a steal. And the developer is still doing some warranty work and repairs so they haven't moved in yet. Thus the lightless exterior of many of the units which has morons screaming foreign buyers empty condos.
Do you know what % of people have moved into the bldg misher?
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2020, 8:01 PM
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Architectural credibility doesn't make a city any more liveable. The buy and flip mentality definitely makes it less so. The horrendous way Vancouver House meets the ground is perfectly emblematic of this building: all flash and no substance.
Name a place in this whole wide world which is all substance and flash, has limited or no offshore buyers, and very affordable.
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2020, 8:58 PM
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Name a place in this whole wide world which is all substance and flash, has limited or no offshore buyers, and very affordable.
Are you serious? Where do you want to start?

Minneapolis, MN
Austin, TX
Santa Fe, NM
Lyons, FR
Innsbruck, AT
Hamburg, DE

Etc Etc, You don't get out much do you?
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2020, 9:02 PM
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Do you know what % of people have moved into the bldg misher?
No I just know she mentioned they are doing it in stages two months ago and she's on one of the lower floors so she should have been near the start. She still hasn't move in yet because during the walkthrough several things to fix were identified.

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Are you serious? Where do you want to start?

Minneapolis, MN
Austin, TX
Santa Fe, NM
Lyons, FR
Innsbruck, AT
Hamburg, DE

Etc Etc, You don't get out much do you?

Several of those have many foreigners and/or complaints about affordability. Its actually kind of depressing how many of the Vancouver complaints are repeated for many of these cities. Funnily enough we complain about the Chinese but many American cities/towns complain about the Canadians.

Austin-https://www.austinyc.org/why-is-austin-so-unaffordable/

Santa Fe-"In Santa Fe, Housing Developers Contend With Affordability Crisis"
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/12/26/santa-fe-new-mexico-affordable-housing

Hamburg
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The most recent issue of an English magazine committed to Foreign Direct Investment declares the German city Hamburg as the most alluring area for worldwide speculators.
https://www.ondemandint.com/blog/hamburg-is-the-most-attractive-german-city-for-foreign-investors

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It's not news that those of modest income are being priced out of Minneapolis. What may surprise you is that even the solidly middle-class are taking a beating.
Minneap-http://www.citypages.com/news/even-on-10...cas-10th-least-affordable-city/511887582

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Old Posted Apr 10, 2020, 6:50 PM
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You can't reason with people who never got there with reason in the first place. People who scapegoat widespread problems onto ethnic minorities don't particularly care about expensive housing per se. For example, whatnext is very protective of the Shaughnessy and point grey neighborhoods, which captured huge swaths of Vancouver land for the few most expensive housing sales recorded in Vancouver history. Yet he uses every opportunity to accuse 700sqft condos as luxury housing.

It's plain as day that his problem is with the fact that Asian people exist, and that areas perceived to have Asians are bad whereas areas perceived to be white are good. This type of disingenuous argument pervades the housing conversation in this city. Usually, the more somebody buys into Asian conspiracies the more protective they are of places like Shaughnessey.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2020, 7:08 PM
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You can't reason with people who never got there with reason in the first place. People who scapegoat widespread problems onto ethnic minorities don't particularly care about expensive housing per se. For example, whatnext is very protective of the Shaughnessy and point grey neighborhoods, which captured huge swaths of Vancouver land for the few most expensive housing sales recorded in Vancouver history. Yet he uses every opportunity to accuse 700sqft condos as luxury housing.

It's plain as day that his problem is with the fact that Asian people exist, and that areas perceived to have Asians are bad whereas areas perceived to be white are good. This type of disingenuous argument pervades the housing conversation in this city. Usually, the more somebody buys into Asian conspiracies the more protective they are of places like Shaughnessey.
Back in the 1920's instead of paying workers more, the rich would use chinese/japanese as a scapegoat saying that asian workers are stealing from hard working white people and doing their jobs for cheap. They have always been used as a shield by the rich. This is just a repeat, instead of building more housing rich NIMBY's argue that we shouldn't build anything because it will go to asians.

And of course, the poor are dumb and tend to follow the general lead to whatever's easiest. Its a lot more enjoyable and easier to blame an ethnic minority whose a different color than NIMBYs who look the same as you.

Vancouver has already done a few studies about the ethnicity of neighborhoods and its no surprise that rich areas are overwhelmingly white which coloreds are grouped in low income areas. And of course once I pointed this out people began screaming that asians don't pay taxes which is unproven and contradicts stats showing that the van west side reports much higher median incomes.



You can also see that as you go towards Vancouver's richer areas Vancouver gets less diverse and more "white".


https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/discover-one-of-worlds-most-super-diverse-neighbourhoods/

Racist neo-nazis like whatnext have taken over our housing debate and have used it to their own ends to stir anger at minorities spreading misinformation and lies. There are no stats showing an increase in money laundering, there are stats from the BC NDP showing that most money laundered is from local crime, and there are stats showing that foreign buyers represent a few percentage points of buyers while Canadians represent 97%+. In all of America their foreign buyer rate is ~5% double whats seen in Vancouver. In London it goes between 10-20%. Most of the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 going around is plain lies created by a story teller and backed by falsehoods. And of course NDP supporters lap it up because the NDP is a socialist party dedicated to targeting groups to hate, first it was the rich and now its the Chinese. Just like Maduro first targeted foreign corporations then he targeted the rich and then he targeted small business owners.




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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 PM
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70k in the high income bracket hahahahahha
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 11:51 PM
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70k in the high income bracket hahahahahha
"individual" at 2+ a household it adds up. Vancouver House's cheapest units were around ~$400k.

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Old Posted Apr 12, 2020, 3:39 AM
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Yeah, I think this is the main entrance.
But the sign placement doesn't lead people to it.
The sign should be on a frame spanning the recess and they need more active uses at that entrance (like Yaletown Urban Fare).
The window to the left of the entrance should be a garage-style door that opens up - for cafe counter or a flower shop, etc.
Do you know what's going on upstairs? I first thought the supermarket would be 2 storeys.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2020, 3:41 AM
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Are you serious? Where do you want to start?

Minneapolis, MN
Austin, TX
Santa Fe, NM
Lyons, FR
Innsbruck, AT
Hamburg, DE

Etc Etc, You don't get out much do you?
You want Vancouver to become like those towns?

Yeah, I don't get out much during the lockdown. Can't say about other times though, and definitely covered more than just your Western Europe and lackadaisical USA. And no, even Lyons, Innsbruck and Hamburg are not "affordable" like you imagine. You can do better in Canadian cities.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2020, 7:59 PM
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Do you know what's going on upstairs? I first thought the supermarket would be 2 storeys.
ESL school - check back in the thread.
Retail is London Drugs below, Fresh St Market above, with a few random street-facing units.
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ESL school - check back in the thread.
Retail is London Drugs below, Fresh St Market above, with a few random street-facing units.
I see, thanks. School's lucky to be located in a nice building, but don't think students have a lot of places to go for food.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2020, 8:20 PM
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I see, thanks. School's lucky to be located in a nice building, but don't think students have a lot of places to go for food.
Hopefully that'll come in time with future redevelopments (of the loops).
There's some small scale retail at The Discovery on Beach, at The 501, along Hornby and at Anchor Point (til it's demo'd?),
and with those ramps to the bridge they can easily access the Granville strip.
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Anchor Point's future redevelopment unfortunately looks like a long-way away.
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