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Old Posted Apr 7, 2020, 4:37 PM
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Which street(s) were they arguing about?
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Which street(s) were they arguing about?
Bank St in OOS/Glebe/Centretown, mostly.
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Which street(s) were they arguing about?
The Mayor mentioned Bank Street several times in interviews over the last few weeks. The argument, for Bank at least, is that it is a major bus and emergency vehicle route. I agree that narrowing Bank Street to allow more space for pedestrians is not realistic.

Streets like Metcalfe, O'Connor and Kent could be narrowed, but that's probably not where we have congestion issues.
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The Mayor mentioned Bank Street several times in interviews over the last few weeks. The argument, for Bank at least, is that it is a major bus and emergency vehicle route. I agree that narrowing Bank Street to allow more space for pedestrians is not realistic.
Why is it not realistic if there is space for parked vehicles? That's the ask- remove the parking lane to allow a widened space for walking.
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Agreed. It's not as if the emergency vehicles or buses can drive over the parked cars anyhow. I had to go for an errand on Bank a week back and although the carriageway was all but empty, the sidewalks were anything but. Between the people lined up to enter stores, people lined up to wait for the bus, and other people walking, I ended up just walking in the street anyways. It's shameful that even when the roads are empty and there's a public health emergency requiring people to maintain a modest distance from each other, the City refuses to make even the barest of concessions to pedestrians.

The counter-argument? "It would require us to install barriers". Call me callous, but I'm unmoved by their plight.
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This is a terrible time, but one of the one bright spots is that people figure out workarounds very quickly. All the issues to allowing alcohol delivery/takeout, widespread working from home, electronic submissions for courts etc. suddenly disappeared. Putting pylons up to close lanes temporarily should be no different.

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This is a terrible time, but one of the one bright spots is that people figure out workarounds very quickly. All the issues to allowing alcohol delivery/takeout, widespread working from home, electronic submissions for courts etc. suddenly disappeared. Putting pylons up to close lanes temporarily should be no different.
I agree, but unfortunately this is Ottawa and pylons likely don't meet some unwritten safety standard that the bureaucrats imagined. In their mind, the only way to "safely" close the lanes would be to install Jersey barriers.

They likely also don't want to take away parking spaces as people might realize that they aren't really needed.
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Agreed. It's not as if the emergency vehicles or buses can drive over the parked cars anyhow. I had to go for an errand on Bank a week back and although the carriageway was all but empty, the sidewalks were anything but. Between the people lined up to enter stores, people lined up to wait for the bus, and other people walking, I ended up just walking in the street anyways. It's shameful that even when the roads are empty and there's a public health emergency requiring people to maintain a modest distance from each other, the City refuses to make even the barest of concessions to pedestrians.

The counter-argument? "It would require us to install barriers". Call me callous, but I'm unmoved by their plight.
I listened to the interview with the mayor on CBC Radio yesterday morning. His stubbornness in refusing to give an inch of extra space for pedestrians is maddening.
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Councillor gets creative with Byron Ave. 'local only' traffic, creating more pedestrian space

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Publishing date: 11 hours ago • 3 minute read


The number of pedestrians on a pathway between Byron Avenue and Richmond Road has been growing as the temperature rises and people escape for a bit of fresh air during the COVID-19 clampdown, prompting the local councillor to make more space for them on the road.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said he has received the city’s blessing to restrict cars on Byron Avenue between Redwood and Golden Avenues to local traffic starting Thursday.

That means people who live on that 1.2-kilometre stretch of Byron Avenue can still leave with their cars and drive them home, but cut-through vehicular traffic won’t be tolerated.

The city has been cold to the idea of closing roads or narrowing the car space in favour of a wider walking and cycling space at a time of physical distancing, but Leiper has come up with an alternative.

Leiper said he wants people using the pathway to have another option to maintain the physical distancing recommendations emphasized by public health officials. People are supposed to keep two metres apart.

Reducing the volume of cars on that section of Byron Avenue will make the road safer for pedestrians and cyclists to use as another option, Leiper said, calling the move a “small intervention” that he hopes to replicate in other parts of the central-west ward.

There isn’t a lot of car traffic on Byron Avenue, especially in the novel coronavirus era, so the impact to motorists won’t be significant.

Mayor Jim Watson and city staff have been unenthusiastic about the idea of completely closing roads in favour of making additional walking and cycling space.

During a teleconference with reporters on Tuesday, the city’s head of emergency and protective services, Anthony Di Monte, said municipal resources are focused on supporting the health unit’s fight against the spread of COVID-19.

Di Monte said if the city wanted to close a road, staff would be required to complete an analysis of the impact and, if approved, deliver barricades to the site. The city needs to consider complications for public transit and emergency services when talking about road restrictions, Di Monte said.

“I think there’s other solutions in the community to allow people to walk around and get some fresh air and not necessarily need the intense work to be able to close off streets,” Di Monte said.

The National Capital Commission, too, is concerned about protecting access for transit and emergency vehicles on its roads.

The NCC has declined requests to close parkways to allow for more walking and cycling space.

“At this time, roadway closures to vehicle traffic will not be possible due to logistical challenges, staffing requirements and the need to ensure continued access for transit and emergency services,” spokesperson Corey Larocque said in an emailed statement. “More information will be made available in due course”

Leiper said councillors will need to be creative if they want to increase walking space for residents in their communities, which is why he’s trying out the traffic restriction on Byron Avenue. If it works well, he’ll consider similar treatments in other areas of his ward.

Because city staff last month accepted direction from Watson that any costs for coronavirus-related street restrictions need to come out of councillor ward budgets, Leiper will have to pay for barricades with city funds set aside for traffic-calming activities in Kitchissippi ward.

“Obviously I’m not thrilled with that,” Leiper said.

“I’m working within the reality of the mayor’s direction.”

Leiper said he has to rent 44 barricades each costing $3 per day, plus there’s a couple hundred bucks for the delivery and pickup of the barricades.

Replicating the car restrictions in other parts of the ward might depend on affordability, Leiper said.

Councillors each have a $50,000 annual budget for traffic-calming measures in their wards, on top of their roughly $270,000 annual office budgets.

For now, Leiper just wants to see how it works on Byron Avenue. Leiper said his biggest concern is people driving to the area for a stroll.

“I don’t anticipate it’s going to have a huge negative outcome,” Leiper said, predicting residents in other parts of the ward will be asking for a similar local traffic restriction.

“I absolutely anticipate we’re going to get more requests.”

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I listened to the interview with the mayor on CBC Radio yesterday morning. His stubbornness in refusing to give an inch of extra space for pedestrians is maddening.
I think if the right (pardon the pun) slightly to the left of centre candidate runs against Watson in the next election he is beatable.

He seems to be increasingly tone deaf to the concerns of the downtown residents and the poor performance of LRT and the effects of Covid-19 make him vulnerable.
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I think if the right (pardon the pun) slightly to the left of centre candidate runs against Watson in the next election he is beatable.

He seems to be increasingly tone deaf to the concerns of the downtown residents and the poor performance of LRT and the effects of Covid-19 make him vulnerable.
I don't think Watson will run again. He will have been in office for 15 years (counting his 3 years in the late 90s). He's achieved pretty much everything he set out to do; Lansdowne, Confederation Stage 1, huge O-Train expansion in Stage 2, got the ball rolling on the Central Library and Sparks. Credit to O'Brien for the first three projects.

And his coming out last summer gives him the opportunity to go out there and created a life for himself outside of politics.

Despite what he says, the performance of Line 1 has no doubt solidified his decision to not run.

2022 is an opportunity for an urban Councillor (preferably Leiper, who's not too far left) to run for office. This might be the last chance for an urban minded candidate before the suburbs officially overtake the inner-Greenbelt.
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I think if the right (pardon the pun) slightly to the left of centre candidate runs against Watson in the next election he is beatable.

He seems to be increasingly tone deaf to the concerns of the downtown residents and the poor performance of LRT and the effects of Covid-19 make him vulnerable.
His poor performance with LRT will be a strike against him across the city but the vast majority of the city live in a suburban or rural setting. The urban core may be furious with Watson but it makes up too small of a percentage of amalgamated Ottawa to have an impact. The discrepancy is only going to widen in the future, a lot of intensification talk but the suburbs are growing at a much faster rate.
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His poor performance with LRT will be a strike against him across the city but the vast majority of the city live in a suburban or rural setting. The urban core may be furious with Watson but it makes up too small of a percentage of amalgamated Ottawa to have an impact. The discrepancy is only going to widen in the future, a lot of intensification talk but the suburbs are growing at a much faster rate.
The Confederation Line's woes have enraged a lot more than inner core residents. As has been argued (quite successfully) on here, it is every bit as much as system that is meant to serve the suburbs as much - some would say more - than the inner city.

Ask people in Orleans what they think of the LRT, just for fun.
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"Ask people in Orleans what they think of the LRT, just for fun."

In that case, decreasing the frequency of the 39 at one point should have been more than enough to piss everyone off.
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Edmonton: Pedestrian signals will become automatic at 56 intersections located in high pedestrian areas and around hospitals to help prevent the spread of COVID-19

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Moved a few non-roads related posts to the COVID thread.

Parts of QED to be closed to traffic. Makes sense since the pathways only 3m wide.
https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/news/covid-19?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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I think this announcement mixed up east and west. Hunt club is currently being widened from *moodie* the side road, to Old Richmond, making a new mega-intersection.
Current project extends from just east of Moodie the way down to Hope Side Road, 3 roundabouts, 1 intersection (Moodie).

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I figured the stretch from the 416 to Moodie didn't really need 4 lanes as there's not really anything in the field there. maybe a middle turn lane here and there.
Was always part of the plan to widen this stretch. There was a few reasons why it was cut from the original contract.
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Was always part of the plan to widen this stretch. There was a few reasons why it was cut from the original contract.
The project has since been amended to add the stretch from Moodie to the 416 as part of the widening.


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The project has since been amended to add the stretch from Moodie to the 416 as part of the widening.


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I am well aware of this.

As I said, this was always part of the plan and was split from the original contract.
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The project has since been amended to add the stretch from Moodie to the 416 as part of the widening.


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I thought the plan was initially to widen the stretch to the 416. Would have been stupid not to do it considering it's 4 lanes over and after the highway.
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