YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 756

casper · #**15101** Posted **Mar 13, 2020, 12:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

That loophole wouldn't last long, I'd hazard.

It is not a loophole. The Euopean ban has very similar wording to the one on China. It simply bans anyone who has been in certain (but not all) European countries over the past 14 days. US citizens, permanent residents, and close relatives are exempt from the ban.

My point is there will still be traffic between the US and Europe. Air France, Lufthansa etc. are still going to be flying into the major US hubs like New York but they will be cancelling a substantial number of roots. Some of that connecting traffic will help to fill the Canadian flights.

As an example Air France will now stop their flight to Seattle for 60 days but keep Vancouver. Both flights would have been lightly loaded. They are now consolidated onto the Vancouver flight.

NewfBC · #**15102** Posted **Mar 13, 2020, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

Is freight included in the ban? I thought cargo was not supposed to be part of the measures

A lot of freight/cargo travels on passenger flights... I doubt they'll fly planes with no passengers to transport a small amount of cargo.

Ron.

whatnext · #**15103** Posted **Mar 13, 2020, 5:48 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewfBC

A lot of freight/cargo travels on passenger flights... I doubt they'll fly planes with no passengers to transport a small amount of cargo.

Ron.

Depends how much they can get for it.

casper · #**15104** Posted **Mar 13, 2020, 4:17 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext

Depends how much they can get for it.

At least domestically in Canada, Cargo airlines spend a lot of time on the ground. They are usually older aircraft and only fly at night. There is no shortage of dedicated cargo aircraft.

YVR Bruce · #**15105** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 5:12 AM**

It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

TheGreatestX · #**15106** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 5:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX

YVR-MEL will be suspended from May 1-Nov 27

Now from April 3.

Johnny Aussie · #**15107** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 8:40 AM**

AC now starting to dump European capacity.

Some routes are cancelled for thr entire summer, some suspended for a couple of months, some seasonal delay starts.

So far no YVR routes affected... this round...

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...g-haul-service-reductions-as-of-13mar20/

thenoflyzone · #**15108** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 1:38 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

Nice.

PPT-CDG (15,715km) non stop is longer than EWR-SIN (15,344km), making it the longest non stop flight in the world by distance.

Also, PTP–PPT must be the longest domestic flight ever. 10,355 km.

casper · #**15109** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 3:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

It looks like Air Tahiti Nui will use YVR to avoid LAX during the lockout of EU carriers. 1st scheduled for tomorrow Sat Mar 14 arrives 13:35. May be one-time only....

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-changes-one-time-papeete-paris-nonstop/

Sounds like Air France is also considering shifting their Tahiti service to Vancouver.

Good chance this will become permanent with both airlines. YVR has a much better setup for operating this flight than anything at LAX.

Denscity · #**15110** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 6:03 PM**

Mm Tahiti. I often forget about that place but perhaps I should check out that tropical paradise one day via YVR.

whatnext · #**15111** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 6:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper

Sounds like Air France is also considering shifting their Tahiti service to Vancouver.

Good chance this will become permanent with both airlines. YVR has a much better setup for operating this flight than anything at LAX.

LA has way more of the moneyed people who would go to Tahiti. It is not a cheap destination. Vancouver has lots of bottom feeders looking for the cheapest Maui condo+air stay.

Johnny Aussie · #**15112** Posted **Mar 14, 2020, 10:19 PM**

This is obviously going to be a temporary replacement. Let’s not get too carried away over analysing this. There’s going to be a lot of strange “shite” happening over the next little while.

casper · #**15113** Posted **Mar 15, 2020, 5:54 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext

LA has way more of the moneyed people who would go to Tahiti. It is not a cheap destination. Vancouver has lots of bottom feeders looking for the cheapest Maui condo+air stay.

Wound be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is Paris to Tahiti vrs originating in the US. Tahiti has some weird colony status within France. Not certain how much government traffic there is on the route.

trofirhen · #**15114** Posted **Mar 15, 2020, 6:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Wound be interesting to see what percentage of traffic is Paris to Tahiti vrs originating in the US. Tahiti has some weird colony status within France. Not certain how much government traffic there is on the route.

Tahiti is a "Territoire Outre Mer" (T.O.M.) 'Overseas Territory' and is semi-autonomous.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-16492623
There has been a development in bilateral negotiations regarding flights between Tahiti and Canada, if the right is ever exercised.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/paci...ment-between-french-polynesia-and-canada

connect2source · #**15115** Posted **Mar 17, 2020, 11:42 AM**

Westjet ending all international and transborder flights starting March 22nd.

https://dailyhive.com/mapped/westjet-stop-international-cross-border-operations

Johnny Aussie · #**15116** Posted **Mar 17, 2020, 6:08 PM**

https://blog.westjet.com/statement-on-operations-and-network-from-ed-sims/

“ On Sunday, March 22 at 11:59 p.m. MDT, we will suspend scheduled commercial operations for all international and transborder flights for a 30 day period.”

casper · #**15117** Posted **Mar 18, 2020, 3:09 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

https://blog.westjet.com/statement-on-operations-and-network-from-ed-sims/

“ On Sunday, March 22 at 11:59 p.m. MDT, we will suspend scheduled commercial operations for all international and transborder flights for a 30 day period.”

What is interesting is the response by WestJet to one of the questions on the blog. Someone asking about a flight after they stop operation. The advise from the WestJet rep is to try to contact WestJet to rebook for an earlier flight and if they are not able to register on the Canadian government side for a repatriation flight.

Sounds like after they stop operating they switch into operating charters for the government to bring Canadians back home. Weird times.

nname · #**15118** Posted **Mar 18, 2020, 10:01 AM**

Some update of YVR long-hual routes for Mar-May as of tonight. Subject to changes, as always.

() = April frequency

TPE (15-16x weekly)
AC reduced to 3-4x weekly Mar-Apr, 4-5x weekly May
BR unchanged daily
CI reduced to 5x weekly Apr

LHR/LGW (14x weekly)
AC unchanged daily
BA unchanged daily

HKG (12x weekly)
AC reduced to 4x weekly Mar-Apr, 6x weekly May
CX reduced to 8x weekly Apr, 10x weekly May

PVG (11x weekly)
AC suspended, resumes daily May
MU unchanged 11x weekly

NRT/HND (9-11x weekly)
AC reduced to 5-7x weekly Mar-Apr
NH reduced to 4x weekly Mar-Apr
JL suspended, resumes 3x weekly May

MNL (7x weekly)
PR unchanged daily

DEL (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

SYD (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

BNE (7x weekly)
AC unchanged daily

AMS (7x weekly)
KL unchanged

ICN (6x weekly)
AC reduced to 4x weekly Mar, 6x weekly Apr
KE suspended, resumes 4x weekly May

PEK (5x weekly)
AC suspended, resumes daily May
CA reduced to 5x weekly Mar-Apr

MUC (5x weekly)
LH unchanged

FRA (4-7x weekly)
LH reduced to 4x weekly Mar-early-Apr

XMN (3x weekly)
MF unchanged 3x weekly

CTU (2x weekly)
3U unchanged 2x weekly

SHE
3U suspended, resumes Sept

TAO
JD suspended, resumes late-May

NKG
MU suspended, resumes late-June

SZX
HU suspended, resumes late-June

MEL
AC suspended for the season

AKL
NZ suspended Apr, resumes July

CDG
AF suspended, resumes 3-4x weekly May

Johnny Aussie · #**15119** Posted **Mar 18, 2020, 3:28 PM**

Minimal impact in the west but Sunwing, Porter and Air Transat suspending all operations temporarily.

Sunwing
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...operations-after-march-23-amid-pandemic/

”Rachel Goldrick, a spokeswoman for Sunwing, said the shutdown is “temporary” and will last until April 10, but “at this time we cannot confirm when commercial southern flight operations will resume. That is why Sunwing was forced to communicate layoffs to our flight and cabin crew members [Monday] evening.”

Porter and Air Transat

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...ghts-laying-off-workers-as-virus-closes/

LeftCoaster · #**15120** Posted **Mar 18, 2020, 6:54 PM**

Shocked to see so much still flying. I imagine that will continue to get cut as Canadians are repatriated and the planes empty out.