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Originally Posted by Vin
I did say that all industrial lands which are near the CBD core should go, especially those that are underutilized. The City need to rezone them instead of dragging their feet as they always do. Plan for the future for once.
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Like the Port? Where'd you put it? Deltaport?
The Flats are a horrible place to put condos and even large office skyscrapers due to the area being a massive rail yard. Same thing with most of the area around Hastings. They're almost buffer.
The rest are mostly partially gentrified anyways. There's also swathes of mid rises and SFHs around them in Kits and Mt. Pleasant.
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Originally Posted by cov
furniture warehouses and car parts suppliers don't need to be there anyway. Most industrial spaces in MPIA are being used for office anyway by businesses disguising their activity as industrial when it's completely not.
In pursuit of superficial idyllic village aesthetics, we've created one of the most dysfunctional land-use regs right in the center of the city. It's adjacent to broadway, the busiest bus connection in all of North America, and we insist on putting warehouses next to it. It's laughable that people think the only way to preserve the 2 bakeries in that area is to zone it 4 stories tall.
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Most of them are smaller warehouses, not the larger stuff being built out on the outskirts. The markets are different. The smaller stuff is used mostly by smaller businesses, repair shops, and creative industry (artists, musicians, etc.) The dealerships should be made denser, but the ones near the core already mostly are fairly dense.
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Originally Posted by Vin
For that to happen, there needs to be massive rezoning: not just along the arterials, but also the parallel and perpendicular streets for at least 2 to 3 blocks either sides of the arterial. Otherwise it will be the same old provincial town neighbourhood, busy, but never catching up with the times.
Preserving all the remaining industrial land necessity near the CBD core is simply an overrated hype and not at all necessary here. Go see what world class city does with their industrial land. They are flexible by making the outlying ones more compact, and turning those near commercial and residential cores into better and more flexible uses, etc. We have lots of underutilized industrial lands around here. Take the Canada line train and before you cross the bridge into Richmond, look around to see how the big swathes of vacant lands are being utilized: basically nothing. Even the old warehouse districts north of East Hastings from downtown towards Burnaby are underutilised. These could house innovation centres and compact non-polluting, non-primary industry factories of the future. Mount Pleasant area should not be an industrial land: it should be an office/mixed use district that can house a lot of people and businesses.
Even Burnaby and Richmond are realizing this and now turning basically industrial parks into the next town or city centre. People here are often sold half truths and they just accept it without questioning.
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Yes, it's also part of the reason we have an industrial land shortage. All the users near the city are being kicked out. We're having to zone out ALR land as a result, and industrial leases are soaring.
I'd recommend you keep the stuff that remains (at least those not literally 3 blocks from Skytrain, which is not very many), unless you want to see the rest of Richmond paved over.
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