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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 2:23 AM
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I've noticed something similar: in my experience the speed seems inconsistent throughout the line, with the exception with maybe the downtown subway portion.
Travel time from Tunney's to Rideau is exactly the same as it was before and is extremely consistent--9 minutes. It's between Rideau and Blair that it seems to be varying.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 2:35 PM
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I think it was a cost cutting measurement to start line 1 early before it was ready.
Except line 1 didn't open early, it opened very late.

I think the more likely explanation is that Watson was getting increasingly embarrassed about the ongoing inability to meet deadlines. During one of his meetings with RTG I'm guessing he basically told them to open the line now and damn the consequences. My hunch tells me that that's when the city decided to basically throw away all of the important due diligence checks and verification (like meeting the 12 continuous running days or having 15 trains, etc) and that's probably the reason why we still don't have clear answers from the city about why those requirements were suddenly relaxed. It was all in order to save the mayor from his embarrassment and now we're in the situation we're in.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 2:50 PM
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Add to it there was probably a motivation from RTG to get money flowing - if they weren’t opening the project could have possibly moved into default. Much better for the city to have it default after it is operating than before.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 5:21 PM
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Biggest test for Confederation Line may come Wednesday. As much as 25 cm of snow with some rain mixed in is the current forecast.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 11:52 PM
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Except line 1 didn't open early, it opened very late.

I think the more likely explanation is that Watson was getting increasingly embarrassed about the ongoing inability to meet deadlines. During one of his meetings with RTG I'm guessing he basically told them to open the line now and damn the consequences. My hunch tells me that that's when the city decided to basically throw away all of the important due diligence checks and verification (like meeting the 12 continuous running days or having 15 trains, etc) and that's probably the reason why we still don't have clear answers from the city about why those requirements were suddenly relaxed. It was all in order to save the mayor from his embarrassment and now we're in the situation we're in.

Re read what I said because I defined early as in not ready for service
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2020, 1:04 AM
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No fees for buskers in Ottawa LRT stations, city says

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The City of Ottawa opened applications Monday for performers interested in entertaining riders along the LRT line – a gig that won’t leave buskers pinching pennies to break even on the permit.

Musicians can now apply to OC Transpo’s busking program for a chance to perform at LRT stations along the Confederation Line. The opportunity falls under the city’s music strategy, which aims to promote local performers and boost Ottawa’s overall arts industry.

Buskers will be accepted to the city’s program in annual cohorts. Applications are open now until March 27, with 2020 programming expected to begin later this spring.

Buskers won’t have to pay any fees for permits to perform at the stations, according to a statement from Ottawa transit director Pat Scrimgeour. Buskers in other major metropolises such as Toronto and Vancouver are asked to pay fees before securing a permit to perform.

Some locations in Ottawa do require performers to pay for permits, such as the ByWard Market, where buskers pay $10 for day permits plus $50 for a full-year licence. Ottawa Markets, the organization that oversees the downtown tourist destination, rescinded a policy in 2018 that required buskers to have insurance on top of their permits.

Busking isn’t the only way the city plans to perk up LRT stations as the weather warms. Happy Goat Coffee secured a deal last September to set up shop in Tunney’s Pasture, Rideau, Hurdman and Blair stations along the Confederation Line starting this year.
https://obj.ca/article/no-fees-buskers-ottawa-lrt-stations-city-says
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2020, 1:44 AM
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Not since opening day (or weekend?) have we seen entertainment at stations. I believe each station has a spot reserved for buskers however, its unclear if all stations will be graced with the presence of performers, or only the busiest. I mean, who wants to spend an entire day playing music at an empty Cyrville Station?

So what are your thoughts on having buskers at stations, what sort of hours would you like to see or are you expecting? Which stations? What sort of performers? What do you think about the City's process? How do you see this program expand after Stage 2 and 3?
     
     
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I find Lyon Station's Podium entrance to be unnecessarily large. Is the dead space meant for buskers? It would be a good spot for fifth Happy Goat kiosk (or any retailer) IMO.
     
     
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Last week, I noticed the "O" pylons at Lyon (Podium entrance and Lyon side of Queen/Lyon entrance) that fell in November were finally replaced. 
     
     
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Last week, I noticed the "O" pylons at Lyon (Podium entrance and Lyon side of Queen/Lyon entrance) that fell in November were finally replaced. 
Wasn't illuminated last night, though.
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Wasn't illuminated last night, though.
Shane mentioned the same on O-Train Fans. Hopefully that will change soon. It's one of the best features of our system.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2020, 10:22 PM
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Looks like another serious electrical problem at St. Laurent. No service from St. Laurent and to the east.

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Old Posted Feb 26, 2020, 10:42 PM
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Crap this sounds all bad.....Why can't we have nice things??

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OTTAWA -- OC Transpo says service is stopped on the east end of the Confederation Line because of a significant infrastructure failure and passengers are being evacuated from the stalled trains.

"One of the components on the overhead catenary system has become loose east of St. Laurent Station. As a result, trains are unable to proceed," Transportation General Manager John Manconi said in a memo. "Crews have been dispatched to investigate and assess the work required to make repairs."

Trains were first stopped from St. Laurent to Blair, but OC Transpo later extended the line closure to Hurdman.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2020, 11:41 PM
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This may have already been discussed - I’d be shocked if it hasn’t - but has anyone else noticed that the vast majority of issues seem to occur between St. Laurent and Blair stations? I know this is anecdotal, but it feels like I’m reading about R1 service between St. Laurent and Blair way more often than anywhere else.

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 12:31 AM
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'Loose' overhead part paralyzes one LRT train, two others break down

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Mere hours after the first snowflakes of a major winter storm started to fall, commuters had to evacuate trains on the Confederation Line when a component of its overhead power system malfunctioned and service ground to a halt.

According to emailed information from city transportation general manager John Manconi, a part of the light rail catenary system became “loose” east of St. Laurent Station.

It was not immediately clear if the issue was weather related. But Wednesday afternoon marked the beginning of what’s been forecast as the worst storm of the winter season thus far, an event OC Transpo was already anticipating could pose a challenge to light-rail operations.

Earlier in the day, Manconi sent a memo outlining OC Transpo’s plans for the storm: Communication and staffing would be enhanced, Rideau Transit Maintenance would keep up with snow clearing, and supplementary bus service would run alongside the Confederation Line during the afternoon peak.

“In the event that we need to implement R1 service, for example, due to a stopped train on the line, S1 service would be cancelled and those buses would be redeployed to provide R1 service.”

That’s exactly what happened after the catenary system malfunctioned sometime around 4 p.m.

Initially, one train was held up near St. Laurent and passengers evacuated onto waiting buses. Then, another train stopped east of Tremblay Station, again requiring passengers to disembark. Paramedics were called to the scene after one passenger requested medical assistance “not related to the incident,” according to Manconi.

R1 bus service launched between Hurdman and Blair, while trains continued to run between Tunney’s Pasture and Hurdman. Transit riders took to social media to share photos and personal accounts of passenger bottlenecks at LRT stations and significant disruptions to their afternoon commute.

Crews were dispatched to investigate the problem with the catenary, an arrangement of poles and overhead wires that delivers power from substations to the trains.

According to Manconi, Rideau Transit Maintenance confirmed it had the parts needed to repair the problem, and when repaired “satisfactorily,” light rail service would resume across the whole Confederation Line. As of 8:30 p.m., that hadn’t happened.

Shortly before 8 p.m., OC Transpo shared news of a stopped train at uOttawa station. All service was shifted to the station’s eastbound platforms.

“I have to say that I am embarrassed for the failure of the Ottawa LRT system that should never have been launched without a full winter condition assessment,” tweeted Somerset Ward Coun. Catherine McKenney. Citizen transit commissioner Sarah Wright-Gilbert tweeted her belief that “RTM is not up to the job and we need to find a company that is.”

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Interview requests Wednesday evening with City of Ottawa transit officials, RTM, and transit commission chair Allan Hubley went unfilled. No one was made available.

This isn’t the first time a problem with the catenary system has caused commuter chaos. In mid-January, an overhead wire broke, stalling a train at St. Laurent Station and cutting off light-rail service east of Hurdman Station.

At the time, Transpo’s director of customer services and planning Pat Scrimgeour said the transit system carries between 18,000 and 20,000 customers to east-end destinations in the afternoon.

With files from Jon Willing

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ice-east-of-st-laurent-station-suspended

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 12:55 AM
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This may have already been discussed - I’d be shocked if it hasn’t - but has anyone else noticed that the vast majority of issues seem to occur between St. Laurent and Blair stations? I know this is anecdotal, but it feels like I’m reading about R1 service between St. Laurent and Blair way more often than anywhere else.
One explanation: this was the first section completed and used for all that testing. Therefore it is has had a lot more hours of use than the western end of things.

Alternatively, that's the land of leda clay. Could tracks sinking unevenly be causing tension on the electrical lines (and also causing more switch issues than in the west, which is blasted into the rock?)
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 2:19 AM
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leda clay issues is pretty speculative but there were certainly other projects that have experienced serious difficulties because of it.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 12:40 PM
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2 broken LRT trains causing serious shortage on Confederation Line
7 trains running this morning for service twice as long as normal

CBC News · Posted: Feb 27, 2020 7:07 AM ET | Last Updated: 12 minutes ago


OC Transpo is seriously short of LRT trains in this morning's storm, with two broken down along the Confederation Line.

Only seven trains are operating for this morning's rush hour, with one stuck at Rideau station and another at Tremblay station because of power issues, said OC Transpo.

That means trains every eight minutes, instead of its goal of every four minutes for peak periods.

The issue at Rideau station meant eastbound platforms were closed at Lyon, Parliament and Rideau stations and all riders had to take the westbound platforms.

At about 7:15 a.m., it said the platforms were open at Parliament and Rideau stations.

It did not mention Lyon station.

At Tremblay station all riders are using the eastbound platform.

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Confusion at Tremblay stn this AM where nobody knows what’s going on. No busses to dtwn & train isn’t going dtwn as previously told. People walking on/off the train. No communication @ctvottawa @CBCOttawa @JimWatsonOttawa @ottawacity @AllanHubley_23 @OccTranspo @OCTranspoLive pic.twitter.com/GiXXm1BFq8
This comes after a loose power component shut down the LRT's east end service yesterday. That issue was fixed as of 12:20 this morning.

The seven trains running this morning represents less than half of the trains that are supposed to be running.

The Confederation Line was supposed to run with 15 trains plus two spares, but it's never had 15 working trains.

OC Transpo says it needs 13 trains to keep its peak period schedule.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/lrt-ottawa-delays-broken-train-1.5477771
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 2:34 PM
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My comment from earlier this week.

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Biggest test for Confederation Line may come Wednesday. As much as 25 cm of snow with some rain mixed in is the current forecast.
Major fail!

What is the answer? I am totally shocked that the issues with rail are not getting resolved. I am even shocked with the number of problems that we are experiencing. We can expect early startup problems but this many? Rail service should be much more reliable than buses under today's weather conditions. Not the case. We did not have nearly the amount of snow that was predicted by the start of service today but only 7 trains were available. I am now afraid that this winter will end without resolution and many of the problems will repeat again next winter.
     
     
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