YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

Some of it is legitimate and will become worse over time. I use to be based out of Victoria a few years ago.

The hike from WestJet Encore to US departures is a long walk. If your coming in from Victoria and making a US connection it takes a good long time.

I have arrived off the Heathrow flight trying to may an onward connection and between people handing out cards and redirection it is confusing. I think they tried to clean some of that up.

There are a few widebody gates on the domestic side that simply lack adequate seating for the size of the aircraft. Common problem with many airports. The airlines have all switched to larger aircraft. 737-800 replacing what a decade ago was a 737-200/400 or A321 replacing an A319. The airlines have also taken away waiting space to build these mazes of line-ups for Zone 1 to 5.

YVR has done better than most at adapting but as it keeps growing the length of a walk is going to increase. They are to big for everything to be central but to small to have air side people movers.

They do get five stars for looking good, plants and art work.

I'll take your word for it,as I don't fly Westjet.

[memememe76]

With US Preclearance, Canadian airports have to separate their International wings (one with preclearance, one without). I love US Preclearance, so I will live with limited food and drink options.

Aren't there two dine-in options in the International section? That Canucks restaurants, and some wine place.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by memememe76

Aren't there two dine-in options in the International section? That Canucks restaurants, and some wine place.

I can’t speak to the International concourse but what you described above is definitely in place in the Transborder concourse. In addition there’s two Timmies, a Starbucks, a taco place and an Asian place, all take away. Frankly, that’s pitiful for one of the largest airports in the country.

[Gordon]

There is also the Canuck's bar & grill in the Trans border area

[Ozabald]

[QUOTE=SpongeG;8837057]Edmonton's airport food options are awful. YVR international is good, domestic is ok. We could use a McDonalds though.

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YVR Domestic airside only has three full service sit down dining options at present: Monk's, Stanley Park Taproom and Vino Volo.

YEG domestic/int'l airside has seven full service sit-down dining options: Belgian Beer Cafe, Boston Pizza, Chili's, Delux Burger Bar, Edmonton Eskimos restaurant, Gretzky's and Heineken Lounge. For an airport with only 8 million passengers, YEG has done a decent job with its food & beverage options.

YVR's food & beverage refresh is long overdue and much needed.

[Denscity]

New options for YVR:

Hawksworth Kitchen
The Dirty Apron
Steamworks Bar and Restaurant
Whistler Brewing Lodge
Red Truck Beer Truck Stop
Heritage Asian Eatery
Left Coast Cafe & Bar
BUILT Custom Burgers
Wahlburgers
Pacific Farms Market
49th Parallel Coffee
Market Fresh
Live Fire Pizza

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

New options for YVR:

Hawksworth Kitchen
The Dirty Apron
Steamworks Bar and Restaurant
Whistler Brewing Lodge
Red Truck Beer Truck Stop
Heritage Asian Eatery
Left Coast Cafe & Bar
BUILT Custom Burgers
Wahlburgers
Pacific Farms Market
49th Parallel Coffee
Market Fresh
Live Fire Pizza

Looks like YVR is upping its game then.

Have only had pleasant experiences in and out of YVR.

Wonder how many of those YEG establishments are profitable.

[CareerShow]

Anyone have air Canada's load factors for LHR, CDG, MEL, etc.? Looks like YVR is losing around two widebody aircraft for the upcoming summer season. Too bad to see cdg and lhr downgauged....looks like two flights is just too much for lhr

[thenoflyzone]

YVR revised it's 2019 numbers. Domestic and US numbers were correct, however intl was lowered, and therefore total number was lowered as well.

Original numbers:

Intl total: 13,713,885 +1.7%
Total: 26,395,197 +1.8%

New numbers:

Intl total: 13,698,558 +1.5%
Total: 26,379,870 +1.7%

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Anyone have air Canada's load factors for LHR, CDG, MEL, etc.? Looks like YVR is losing around two widebody aircraft for the upcoming summer season. Too bad to see cdg and lhr downgauged....looks like two flights is just too much for lhr

Load factors, especially during peak seasons, are probably very strong (80% plus). That metric in and of itself is useless, however. Yields are what matters.

[zahav]

CDG was not downgauged, wasn't it operated by a 787-8 last year, and this year a 333?

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by zahav

CDG was not downgauged, wasn't it operated by a 787-8 last year, and this year a 333?

But it's being reduced from 4 to 3 weekly.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

But it's being reduced from 4 to 3 weekly.

With the larger 333 on the route the loss in seats is only 165 per week.

FRA upgauging from a 789 to a 77W as well.

[zahav]

Ya and KIX was upgauged too, and was ZRH 5x weekly 787-9 last year? It is this year.

There's no doubt this year is/will be challenging, it is certainly not like 2016/2017 or anything. But the CDG service change is barely anything. The MEL change is more noteworthy, but even then it is understandable. The fact is, go back to this time in 2015 and our service was very different, lots has grown since then. Forgetting the virus outbreak changes just recently, the service level remains historically high

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

The MEL change is more noteworthy, but even then it is understandable.

AC need the plane... In fact, that 789 went to YVR-HNL, OGG, and YYZ. There are frequency cut all over the places in AC's network in order to redeploy planes to fill in for the MAX.

[casper]

Originally Posted by nname

AC need the plane... In fact, that 789 went to YVR-HNL, OGG, and YYZ. There are frequency cut all over the places in AC's network in order to redeploy planes to fill in for the MAX.

I think that is assuming AC is flying back into China in the summer. My prediction is China travel will be dead and AC will have no shortage of 777/787 aircraft.

[s211]

Originally Posted by casper

I think that is assuming AC is flying back into China in the summer. My prediction is China travel will be dead and AC will have no shortage of 777/787 aircraft.

Perfect! Let's get some real metal for the Vancouver-Chicago run, instead of the CRJ cigar tubes they currently run with.

[nname]

Taiwan just released the January airport statistics.

LF for YVR-TPE were 94% for AC, and 96% for BR and CI

LF for the TPE->YVR direction were 100% for AC, 99% for BR and 98% for CI

Now waiting for the Feb stats...

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

With the larger 333 on the route the loss in seats is only 165 per week.

FRA upgauging from a 789 to a 77W as well.

There's also the LHR fiasco with a single 77WHD vs double daily 789/788 mix.

There is no doubt that AC will shift every single 777 to TATL routes and there are still many changes to be made to S20.

Glad to see Hawaii back, might even see some 787 action on LAX/SFO

[nname]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

There's also the LHR fiasco with a single 77WHD vs double daily 789/788 mix.

They haven't remove the second daily from schedule yet. In fact, they would need to find some way to use that LHR slot, or they may lose it (could they claim this on the MAX in order to keep the slot, like YYT and YHZ?)

A few years ago, AC kept the slot by leasing out to China Southern. I doubt any Chinese carriers would be eager to lease the LHR slot this year....

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by nname

Taiwan just released the January airport statistics.

LF for YVR-TPE were 94% for AC, and 96% for BR and CI

LF for the TPE->YVR direction were 100% for AC, 99% for BR and 98% for CI

Now waiting for the Feb stats...

With COVID-19 spreading well beyond Asia to Italy (and now Switzerland and Austria) and Iran, I think the travel industry is in for a really rough ride for the next few months.