stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[Bobert]

Dont really understand the AFB comments. If you drive over the AFB, you'll notice the lanes are right up against the cabling, with only the barrier in between.

There would be no point in a cantilever pedestrian section because the bigger problem is the placement of the cabling.

[Marshal]

Whether there is a point to it or not, they exist right now, right there, on the outside of the cables. The cable attachment fittings actually come up through the sidewalk decking/surface. They align with the edge of the main deck structure to which they are attached. The sidewalk deck is just an extension of (or from) the main bridge deck. It is cantelevered by virtue of being on the outside of the line of cable support.

[officedweller]

BTW - the rendering seems to show a sidewalk viewing platform outside the towers, even in the initial configuration.

[Metro-One]

Bottom line is all this talk is useless until we get some more detailed renders and alignments.

Would love to see some clear drawings for both the north and south approaches.

[SpongeG]

Contract awarded for new four-lane Pattullo Bridge replacement

BY RICHARD ZUSSMAN GLOBAL NEWS
Posted February 10, 2020


An artist's rendering of the new Pattullo Bridge. The environment and municipal affairs ministries announced Thursday they have granted the Ministry of Transportation an environment assessment certificate for the project, keeping it on track to start construction this year. Government of British Columbia

The B.C. government has hired Fraser Crossing Partners to replace the aging Pattullo Bridge with a new crossing between Surrey and New Westminster.


The company came in with the province’s preferred contract and is committed to building the span for $967.5 million.

“People in the Lower Mainland depend on the Pattullo Bridge every day, and they deserve safe, easy, toll-free commutes,” B.C. Premier John Horgan said.

“The current bridge has needed to be replaced for years, and I’m proud our government is getting it done in a way that benefits the local community with good jobs and training opportunities. This is all part of our work to keep people and goods moving as we build a strong, sustainable B.C.”

The entire project will cost nearly $1.4 billion.

...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6532634/pattullo-bridge-replacement-contract/

[trofirhen]

There's a seeming contention over the planned width of 4 lanes. Stating that it can go to 6 lanes if necessary, would it not be better to build for 6 now? Isn't that underbuilding it?

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

There's a seeming contention over the planned width of 4 lanes. Stating that it can go to 6 lanes if necessary, would it not be better to build for 6 now? Isn't that underbuilding it?

Again...

Originally Posted by Sheba

You've asked these questions before and people have answered you. New West doesn't currently have enough roadspace for it to open with six lanes - so they're opening it with four and the outer two lanes will initially be used for pedestrians and cyclists. Later they'll build a separate section for peds and bikes, cantilevered on the outside, and the outer lanes will be car lanes. Images of this have been posted.

[Xrayal]

by Province of British Columbia, on Flickr

[djmk]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Contract awarded for new four-lane Pattullo Bridge replacement

BY RICHARD ZUSSMAN GLOBAL NEWS
Posted February 10, 2020


An artist's rendering of the new Pattullo Bridge. The environment and municipal affairs ministries announced Thursday they have granted the Ministry of Transportation an environment assessment certificate for the project, keeping it on track to start construction this year. Government of British Columbia

The B.C. government has hired Fraser Crossing Partners to replace the aging Pattullo Bridge with a new crossing between Surrey and New Westminster.


The company came in with the province’s preferred contract and is committed to building the span for $967.5 million.

“People in the Lower Mainland depend on the Pattullo Bridge every day, and they deserve safe, easy, toll-free commutes,” B.C. Premier John Horgan said.

“The current bridge has needed to be replaced for years, and I’m proud our government is getting it done in a way that benefits the local community with good jobs and training opportunities. This is all part of our work to keep people and goods moving as we build a strong, sustainable B.C.”

The entire project will cost nearly $1.4 billion.

...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6532634/pattullo-bridge-replacement-contract/

Another quote from the article

"The bridge replacement will be built under the province’s Community Benefits Agreement (CBA), which prioritizes hiring local workers, including Indigenous peoples, women, people with disabilities and other under-represented groups who are qualified to do the work. Horgan says the agreement will mean the project could be as much as four per cent more expensive than without a CBA, but the bid still came in below original budget projections."

Although I applaud the initiative but that's about $56 million

I don't know what to think about that. And I'm curious why it would cost more to hire from different groups.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Sheba

New West doesn't currently have enough roadspace for it to open with six lanes - so they're opening it with four and the outer two lanes will initially be used for pedestrians and cyclists.

That's actually disingenuous. There's plenty of roadspace in New Westminster to handle a six lane bridge - four lanes that connect with McBride and two on/off ramps (one in each direction) that connect to Columbia/Royal Avenue.

The real reason is that New Westminster doesn't want the vehicle traffic. They're treating the Patullo bridge exactly the same way they treated the Brunette River bridge between Braid St. and United Blvd. They refused to allow any upgrades to that pathetic 1-lane bailey bridge for almost 20 years.

[interrobang]

Originally Posted by djmk

Although I applaud the initiative but that's about $56 million

I don't know what to think about that. And I'm curious why it would cost more to hire from different groups.

The CBA means that workers will be paid union rates and applicable dues and burdens. It results in a more expensive package. The union rates can be more than market rates. Another way to look at it, is the CBA ensures there is a minimum pay applicable to all trades workers on the project

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

That's actually disingenuous. There's plenty of roadspace in New Westminster to handle a six lane bridge - four lanes that connect with McBride and two on/off ramps (one in each direction) that connect to Columbia/Royal Avenue.

The real reason is that New Westminster doesn't want the vehicle traffic. They're treating the Patullo bridge exactly the same way they treated the Brunette River bridge between Braid St. and United Blvd. They refused to allow any upgrades to that pathetic 1-lane bailey bridge for almost 20 years.

A city that's got bad traffic doesn't want more car traffic entering it. Shocking.

[SFUVancouver]

The CBA also explicitly requires the hiring and apprenticing of under-represented demographics in the trades (women, indigenous, at-risk youth, etc.). I personally don't have an issue with the concept of the program, though I don't fully understand how it works in practice since it seems like the CBA office(?) does the hiring/employing? I imagine that is for the under-represented demographics, though. Essentially, the CBA office (?) is a labour sub-contractor to the prime, which itself is under an obligation to pay prevailing wages and utilize unionized labour (unless when essential skills are unavailable otherwise).

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

The CBA also explicitly requires the hiring and apprenticing of under-represented demographics in the trades (women, indigenous, at-risk youth, etc.). I personally don't have an issue with the concept of the program, though I don't fully understand how it works in practice since it seems like the CBA office(?) does the hiring/employing? I imagine that is for the under-represented demographics, though. Essentially, the CBA office (?) is a labour sub-contractor to the prime, which itself is under an obligation to pay prevailing wages and utilize unionized labour (unless when essential skills are unavailable otherwise).

The CBA is just a kick back to the trade unions. And makes everything an even playing field. Half of the companies that will be doing the work are already building trade unions. The actual rate paid currently is not much different between union and non union. Where the savings is on the lower skilled trades. You wont see the use of temp labour companies. When we last had a big push for infrastructure the main proponent was union on one project and favored union sub trades.

Last time there was a CBA agreement most non union workers got a raise and there rates stayed high where as the union sector took a pay cut as the rates were based on a blend of both.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

A city that's got bad traffic doesn't want more car traffic entering it. Shocking.

Or maybe the improved infrastructure would remove bad traffic and benefit everyone, including the environment? It's not like people in New Westminster don't own cars and drive. I have actually never seen data suggesting that car ownership would be any lower there.

With the region and New Westminster growing fast, there is nobody benefitting from not doing anything to cope with growth. One cannot stop progress.

[Bdawe]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Or maybe the improved infrastructure would remove bad traffic and benefit everyone, including the environment? It's not like people in New Westminster don't own cars and drive. I have actually never seen data suggesting that car ownership would be any lower there.

With the region and New Westminster growing fast, there is nobody benefitting from not doing anything to cope with growth. One cannot stop progress.

In this comment, I think you have incorrectly conflated 'coping with growth' and 'coping with increasing volumes of cars'

We can and should separate those two and do what we can for the former while absolutely discouraging the later. Lots of people, for instance people with lungs, benefit by this

[SpongeG]

Letter: Burnaby will suffer from the new Pattullo Bridge

Nathan Davidowicz / Burnaby Now
FEBRUARY 11, 2020

https://www.burnabynow.com/opinion/your-...-from-the-new-pattullo-bridge-1.24073435

I've always thought a tunnel would be a good idea, expensive but...

Letter: A tunnel should link new Pattullo and Highway 1
Nathan Davidowicz / New West Record
FEBRUARY 11, 2020

https://www.newwestrecord.ca/opinion/let...nk-new-pattullo-and-highway-1-1.24073437

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Letter: Burnaby will suffer from the new Pattullo Bridge

Nathan Davidowicz / Burnaby Now
FEBRUARY 11, 2020

https://www.burnabynow.com/opinion/your-...-from-the-new-pattullo-bridge-1.24073435

I've always thought a tunnel would be a good idea, expensive but...

Letter: A tunnel should link new Pattullo and Highway 1
Nathan Davidowicz / New West Record
FEBRUARY 11, 2020

https://www.newwestrecord.ca/opinion/let...nk-new-pattullo-and-highway-1-1.24073437

It seems unfortunate that tunnel proposals are usually precluded by their high cost. In European cities, and in some North American cities, tunnels are effective in traffic management.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Xrayal

by Province of British Columbia, on Flickr

Thanks!

Looks like an uneven load, like this, but mundane.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http...CA0QjhxqFwoTCJCb2uHMyucCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAk

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by Klazu

One cannot stop progress.

New West will try its hardest to do just that