Surrey City Centre Redevelopment Plans

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

^^ Just some marketing press release from The Holland.

Yeah, I opened it up and just got an advertorial.

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Westbased

Will be great to see that new application. Any idea who the developer partner is?

Also, there have been some rumblings about the Safeway site on KG and 104...

And right across the street from the Skytrain, on Civic Parkway, a developer has assembled two lots (the one opposite the VanCity and the one on 103rd.

That gives them 40,000 plus feet and a chance for a 40 story "plus" building.

Amazing that a 40 plus building is now routine in Surrey Central.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

And right across the street from the Skytrain, on Civic Parkway, a developer has assembled two lots (the one opposite the VanCity and the one on 103rd.

That gives them 40,000 plus feet and a chance for a 40 story "plus" building.

Amazing that a 40 plus building is now routine in Surrey Central.

Now let's reach for new heights to have 50 "plus" as the new routine.

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Vin

Now let's reach for new heights to have 50 "plus" as the new routine.

The real problem with ever higher floors has three parts.

massing requirements of city planning

view and sight lines between buildings

overcoming the "natural limit" of about 60 stories for one level of cost factor. When you get much above that, all kinds of additional costs (foundations, column sizes, wind problems, etc.) multiply.

50 stories - or a few more to say 55 stories - are all okay within one basic cost structure.

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Vin

Now let's reach for new heights to have 50 "plus" as the new routine.

You know there is one solution - make each of the assemblies just one half lot bigger.

There are 5 lots in a row. 2 assemblies of 2 lots leaves one orphan. Split the orphan and the massing changes, to the better.

Surrey had best watch its Surrey Central policies to make sure no rats nests remain.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

You know there is one solution - make each of the assemblies just one half lot bigger.

There are 5 lots in a row. 2 assemblies of 2 lots leaves one orphan. Split the orphan and the massing changes, to the better.

Surrey had best watch its Surrey Central policies to make sure no rats nests remain.

Exactly. If the City is serious about turning Surrey Central into a future downtown of the Lower Mainland, they need to allow and build real downtown buildings with good girths and heights. Get rid or avoid every single policy that restricts downtown Vancouver's growth potential and Surrey Central will shine.

[rpvan]

Originally Posted by Vin

Exactly. If the City is serious about turning Surrey Central into a future downtown of the Lower Mainland, they need to allow and build real downtown buildings with good girths and heights. Get rid or avoid every single policy that restricts downtown Vancouver's growth potential and Surrey Central will shine.

I'm hopeful we'll see a 60+ storey tower somewhere in the centre block. Maybe on the rec centre site?

[Flynn86]

Remember years ago they were talking about a 70 storey tower where the hub is.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by rpvan

I'm hopeful we'll see a 60+ storey tower somewhere in the centre block. Maybe on the rec centre site?

With the Center Block site expected to be all office, retail, and university - I wouldn't expect 60 Storeys. Think more a collection of 3-4 office towers with the tallest being around 35-storeys (similar to the current tallest downtown Vancouver).

The places most likely to see 50-60 storeys in height (residential) would be sites immediately surrounding the centre block. I've seen indications there could be such height on the former brick site across 104.

[Reecemartin]

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[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Shift

With the Center Block site expected to be all office, retail, and university - I wouldn't expect 60 Storeys. Think more a collection of 3-4 office towers with the tallest being around 35-stories (similar to the current tallest downtown Vancouver).

The places most likely to see 50-60 storeys in height (residential) would be sites immediately surrounding the centre block. I've seen indications there could be such height on the former brick site across 104.

Remember that there is going to be a new road between the Ranmore building and the Stardust, going from Civic to KGH.

The loss is 33 feet off the Ranmore. AND there is going to be an expansion of the road between the Safeway and the car rental requiring another 33 feet.

So the 5 lots along Civic, each of about 90 feet are going to lose 66 feet for a net of 2 lots plus 16 feet. The hockey store is included.

The same for the 5 lots along KGH.

Now that means that we are looking at 4 buildings (2 civic and 2 KGH) with 196 feet by about 200 feet.

40 to 45 stories seems assured. 50 stories is questionable.

I would love to see 4 - 65's but as one comment said .. politics, regulations, planning and other such nonsense may intervene.

[rpvan]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

Remember that there is going to be a new road between the Ranmore building and the Stardust, going from Civic to KGH.

The loss is 33 feet off the Ranmore. AND there is going to be an expansion of the road between the Safeway and the car rental requiring another 33 feet.

So the 5 lots along Civic, each of about 90 feet are going to lose 66 feet for a net of 2 lots plus 16 feet. The hockey store is included.

The same for the 5 lots along KGH.

Now that means that we are looking at 4 buildings (2 civic and 2 KGH) with 196 feet by about 200 feet.

40 to 45 stories seems assured. 50 stories is questionable.

I would love to see 4 - 65's but as one comment said .. politics, regulations, planning and other such nonsense may intervene.

I think the Bosa property on Civic Parkway and 104th has potential to go quite tall.

Shift mentioned there could be significant height with those towers; something up to 60 storeys wouldn't be out of the question there.

[officedweller]

Do these still apply?

From August 2016:

Originally Posted by Shift

Figure this should be posted here as well:

The plan for the reconfigured bus exchange at Surrey Central. A few observations:

• SFU owns the land south of the new 102A Ave, with this area envisioned for 2 towers on top of presumably new campus space.
  
• The City of Surrey owns the land north of the new 102A Ave, with this area envisioned for a new rec centre (YMCA?) adjacent to Surrey Central Station, and 5 towers over retail/office? podiums all fronting an expanded pedestrian promenade linking Central City to City Hall Plaza.

Originally Posted by Shift

The new City Centre Plan was adopted tonight.

Some highlights here and much more in the document:

https://urbansurrey.com/2017/01/16/visionary-new-surrey-city-centre-plan-adopted/




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http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/CR_2017-R014.pdf

[rpvan]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Do these still apply?

From August 2016:

Isn't the city updating the City Centre plan again this year due to the cancellation of the LRT? If so, some of the earlier plans may be rendered null.

[officedweller]

Just meant for the buildings, but i guess there could be changes with no LRT

[rpvan]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Just meant for the buildings, but i guess there could be changes with no LRT

I think the main changes due to LRT cancellation will be on civic parkway and around King George station. Probably nothing major.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by rpvan

I think the main changes due to LRT cancellation will be on civic parkway and around King George station. Probably nothing major.

I don't think LRT was been officially cancelled - it swapped places with Skytrain down Fraser Hwy.

[Flynn86]

I bet they'll go back to LRT.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Surrey Central and King George Stations are still there no matter what happens, so I doubt much'll change.

[rpvan]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I don't think LRT was been officially cancelled - it swapped places with Skytrain down Fraser Hwy.

Are you sure?

Aren't they now planning to go with BRT on the original LRT route from Newton to Guildford?