Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by libtard

You can’t count a bridge that hasn’t even got a shovel in the ground yet. And it’s just a replacement isn’t it? No extra capacity?

Wider lanes mean higher speeds and fewer collisions so it'll have extra capacity even though there aren't additional lanes. And it'll be built to be expandable, just like the AFB was.

And it turns out that planning out a bridge is a long and complicated process, you can't just put shovels in the ground and build it. The planning process started years and years ago, during the Liberals' time in power. I wouldn't consider replacing an aging and dangerous bridge to be a win for either party, really, just a project that really needs to get finished.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by libtard

You can’t count a bridge that hasn’t even got a shovel in the ground yet. And it’s just a replacement isn’t it? No extra capacity?

Excuses, excuses.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Hospitals, schools, Skytrain, and yes, bridges (Patullo to start), extra lane on the AFB. New Ferries.

They've only been in power 2.5 years, the Libs had 16.

All three hospital projects begun planning under the liberals.
Skytrain begun planning under the liberals.
AFB extra lane was planned under the liberals.
New Ferries I were planned under the liberals.
Pattulo has been planned under the liberals.

I would not vote for any party that has a seat in BC, and I am quite politically active, so this is not a partisan issue for me like you. But the NDP has been a complete failure with infrastructure which is quite a achievement because the Liberals weren't good either.

The NDP has cancelled and and dragged out so many projects that were in the pipelines. Lowered scopes. In 5 years with the NDP we will have half the largerish projects built that would have been built under the Liberals. And under the liberals it was not enough for a rapidly growing region and province. Based on planning right now it seems like there wont be much built at all over the next 10 years considering how many people BC will add, especially metro Vancouver. Glad Libs are out, the NDP is no better.

[GreaterMontréal]

A tunnel will have many more restrictions compared to a bridge regarding the transit of hazardous materials.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by cornholio

All three hospital projects begun planning under the liberals.
Skytrain begun planning under the liberals.
AFB extra lane was planned under the liberals.
New Ferries I were planned under the liberals.
Pattulo has been planned under the liberals.

I would not vote for any party that has a seat in BC, and I am quite politically active, so this is not a partisan issue for me like you. But the NDP has been a complete failure with infrastructure which is quite a achievement because the Liberals weren't good either.

The NDP has cancelled and and dragged out so many projects that were in the pipelines. Lowered scopes. In 5 years with the NDP we will have half the largerish projects built that would have been built under the Liberals. And under the liberals it was not enough for a rapidly growing region and province. Based on planning right now it seems like there wont be much built at all over the next 10 years considering how many people BC will add, especially metro Vancouver. Glad Libs are out, the NDP is no better.

'Beginning Planning' and 'committing to spend the money' are very different. It's possible to compare what the Liberal Government spent in 2015-16, with the NDP government in 2018-19, by looking at the Summary Accounts. This is all spending – not just new spending on projects, but it shows whether spending has been reduced, or increased in the various categories.

Overall spending increased from $46.9 billion under the Liberals to $55.6 billion under the NDP. That’s an 18.5% increase in spending over 3 years. Nevertheless, the NDP budget surplus of $1.5bn in 2019 was twice that in the 2016 Accounts.

The Liberals spent 1.67bn on transportation in 2016, and the NDP 2.02bn in 2019, a 21% increase. Education spending went from $12.2bn to $14.1bn, a 15.5% increase. Health spending went from $19.2bn to 22.2bn, a 15.4% increase.

[cairnstone]

What has the NDP started that was not already in the works by the Liberals. Yes there has been a few hospitals announced but no funding or shovels in the ground. Skytrain and Bridges announced are not Provincial but under translink. Maybe a few schools in Surrey etc. But there is always schools being built.

I give them one thing that the Liberals never did that is the removal of MSP payment for 50 percent of the population

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

What has the NDP started that was not already in the works by the Liberals. Yes there has been a few hospitals announced but no funding or shovels in the ground. Skytrain and Bridges announced are not Provincial but under translink. Maybe a few schools in Surrey etc. But there is always schools being built.

I give them one thing that the Liberals never did that is the removal of MSP payment for 50 percent of the population

What exactly should they be doing in the time they've been in power? Funding for St. Pauls came through under the NDP watch I'm sure, as did official Skytrain to Arbutus and Surrey LRT money. They've escalated the seismic upgrading for schools.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Wider lanes mean higher speeds and fewer collisions so it'll have extra capacity even though there aren't additional lanes. And it'll be built to be expandable, just like the AFB was.

And it turns out that planning out a bridge is a long and complicated process, you can't just put shovels in the ground and build it. The planning process started years and years ago, during the Liberals' time in power. I wouldn't consider replacing an aging and dangerous bridge to be a win for either party, really, just a project that really needs to get finished.

Yes we know, the NDP cancelled this one after shovels were already in the ground

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i wonder what all the anti-highway people well do when they realize all their protesting just led to the deletion of the transit portion of the project. this project will end up truly only about highways. that is quite humours to me.

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by cornholio

All three hospital projects begun planning under the liberals.
Skytrain begun planning under the liberals.
AFB extra lane was planned under the liberals.
New Ferries I were planned under the liberals.
Pattulo has been planned under the liberals.

I would not vote for any party that has a seat in BC, and I am quite politically active, so this is not a partisan issue for me like you. But the NDP has been a complete failure with infrastructure which is quite a achievement because the Liberals weren't good either.

The NDP has cancelled and and dragged out so many projects that were in the pipelines. Lowered scopes. In 5 years with the NDP we will have half the largerish projects built that would have been built under the Liberals. And under the liberals it was not enough for a rapidly growing region and province. Based on planning right now it seems like there wont be much built at all over the next 10 years considering how many people BC will add, especially metro Vancouver. Glad Libs are out, the NDP is no better.

It goes both ways with the planning. There are projects that the liberals completed that the NDP was planning when they were in power in the 90's. Projects don't just get planned overnight. They usually take years to plan.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i wonder what all the anti-highway people well do when they realize all their protesting just led to the deletion of the transit portion of the project. this project will end up truly only about highways. that is quite humours to me.

Was rapid rail part of the original plan that got nixed? What an ironic drag, if so.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Was rapid rail part of the original plan that got nixed? What an ironic drag, if so.

No, but the concept designs that got released had fully separated bus lanes, and BRT style bus stops in centre islands on the freeway. The upgrades also included a bus ramp off the freeway straight to Bridgeport Station.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by libtard

Yes we know, the NDP cancelled this one after shovels were already in the ground

They didn't cancel the Pattullo Bridge rebuild, nor were shovels in the ground for that project, which is the one I was talking about.

[Tetsuo]

Guys, neither NDP or Libs



it's clearly the SoCreds and Bennett that gets all the credit !

[libtard]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

They didn't cancel the Pattullo Bridge rebuild, nor were shovels in the ground for that project, which is the one I was talking about.

Nope, they cancelled the Massey bridge. Just highlighting how you said building a bridge is a long process. The design process was already done and construction was under way and the NDP cancelled it.

Also you said the Pattulo would have room for expansion? I don’t see any room in this picture for expanding capacity? Unless they will be removing the bike lanes to build an extra lane The Alex Fraser was a different design, no separated bridge deck. So you won’t be able to squeeze any more lanes out of this one

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by libtard

You can’t count a bridge that hasn’t even got a shovel in the ground yet. And it’s just a replacement isn’t it? No extra capacity?

There's more to governing than building infrastructure for cars.

Signing onto UNDRIP is far more significant than a new bridge.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i think this topic getting way off topic here...

does anyone think that a tunnel will actually get approved? with all the environmental issues that it brings up?

[Dengler Avenue]

Think we can do something to stop the tunnel replacement with another tunnel, just like how people in Surrey stopped the madness of LRT?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

There's more to governing than building infrastructure for cars.

Signing onto UNDRIP is far more significant than a new bridge.

Agree totally, WHATNEXT, however this is an important piece of infrastructure, as the existing Patullo Bridge is not only at capacity, but is old, possibly unsafe, and has to be replaced IMO.
And as noted, we're off topic here. The Patullo is an issue, but we're talking about the George Massey crossing here.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by libtard

Also you said the Pattulo would have room for expansion? I don’t see any room in this picture for expanding capacity? Unless they will be removing the bike lanes to build an extra lane The Alex Fraser was a different design, no separated bridge deck. So you won’t be able to squeeze any more lanes out of this one

The conversion would be exactly that
- converting the pedestrian / bike path to a vehicle lane
and adding extra outriggers on the outside to support new pedestrian / bike paths
(That's the same way the 5th lane was added to the old Port Mann Bridge
and wider sidewalks were added to the Queensborough Bridge).