YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by nname

Seems like YVR-DEL ranked 4th in CX's top connecting market:

https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/25/top-20-connecting-routes-for-cathay-pacific-dubai-manila-1/

That doesn't surprise me in the least. My last few YVR-HKG flights on CX, it seems like at least 1/3 of all the passengers onboard were South Asians connecting via HKG to India.

It'd be interesting to find out how much of a dent -- if any -- AC's YVR-DEL nonstop affected these connecting passenger numbers. I suspect probably not so much of an impact as I'm guessing it's the more budget conscious passengers who would choose a connecting flight.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Wow. A whole 1,549 signatures ! I think a zero or two behind that number would look better.

Clearly illustrates the lack of interest for IST as a destination (O&D), and really shows what TK and the Turkish goverment (a major TK shareholder) are after. Connecting traffic. This is why AC doesn't play nice with these carriers. Whether people agree with AC's strategy, that is entirely a different matter.

I hardly think a failed change.org petition 'clearly illustrates' anything. I could start a change.org petition for something wildly popular, but if I only circulate it amongst small group it won't gain any traction. Things going viral is a pretty nuanced phenomenon.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

I agree. Canada should ban Chinese carriers. Same with Saudi Arabia and other countries with human rights violations. BTW, Turkey is one of the global hot spots for human rights violations.

If we're to start banning flights based off human rights violations aviation is going to more or less shut down. Even the United States is walking a fine line with its internment of migrant children or drone strikes in the middle east.

Originally Posted by Hourglass

That doesn't surprise me in the least. My last few YVR-HKG flights on CX, it seems like at least 1/3 of all the passengers onboard were South Asians connecting via HKG to India.

It'd be interesting to find out how much of a dent -- if any -- AC's YVR-DEL nonstop affected these connecting passenger numbers. I suspect probably not so much of an impact as I'm guessing it's the more budget conscious passengers who would choose a connecting flight.

HKG still pulls a lot of business traffic to India as well, since most Indian PAX are traveling onwards from Delhi so they require a transfer either way. A few of my friends travel to India about a dozen times a year in paid J and they always take Cathay through HKG because they are transferring to Hyderabad so a direct to Delhi doesn't do them much good.

[hollywoodcory]

HX has zeroed out all flights from December 9 for YVR-HKG.

[LeftCoaster]

Another one bites the dust. Unsurprising but another big blow to YVR.

Summer 2020 is looking like a really bad year, potential double digit international losses.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I hardly think a failed change.org petition 'clearly illustrates' anything. I could start a change.org petition for something wildly popular, but if I only circulate it amongst small group it won't gain any traction. Things going viral is a pretty nuanced phenomenon.

Pretty sure if I started my own change.org petition, I’d get more than 1500 signatures.

This being said, you are right. It’s not hard proof of anything.

This is however. Coupled with the fact that during the last census, Turkish Canadians in Vancouver numbered less than 7,000, means VFR traffic simply isn’t there, which in turn means very little O&D from YVR to IST.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Another one bites the dust. Unsurprising but another big blow to YVR.

Summer 2020 is looking like a really bad year, potential double digit international losses.

Interjet isn’t too far behind. They owe US CBP $25 million, supposedly, and need to pay up by Dec 9, or else they can’t fly to the US anymore.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Another one bites the dust. Unsurprising but another big blow to YVR.

Summer 2020 is looking like a really bad year, potential double digit international losses.

I wonder if HX will even last until Dec 9... It's just revealed that half of the employee wasn't getting paid last month...

LAX-HKG had been zeroed out starting from tomorrow, meaning that the HX69 in the air right now is likely to be the last flight to/from US.

[Gordon]

What other 2020 flights are being lost besides Hong kong airlines & the 3rd Cx flight

Sunday a new transborder holdroom opens for Remote Stand Opertions.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Gordon

What other 2020 flights are being lost besides Hong kong airlines & the 3rd Cx flight

Sunday a new transborder holdroom opens for Remote Stand Opertions.

LOSS:
2nd daily LHR on AC
4x weekly LGW on TS
3x weekly CDG on TS
1x weekly CDG on AC
4x weekly CUN on 4O
1x weekly CUN on TS

GAIN:
1x weekly AMS on TS
1x weekly KIX on AC
1x weekly DEL on AC
1x weekly LHR on WS
2x weekly PVR on TS

I may be missing quite a few... oh, and there are more downsizing than upsizes.

As for remote stands.. the East Apron site seems to be ready, but I doubt it will see much use in the near future. Maybe now the midnight departure slot will be busier than the early afternoon slots? At least they'll need to move those RON aircraft around next summer I think...

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by nname

LOSS:
2nd daily LHR on AC
4x weekly LGW on TS
3x weekly CDG on TS
1x weekly CDG on AC
4x weekly CUN on 4O
1x weekly CUN on TS

GAIN:
1x weekly AMS on TS
1x weekly KIX on AC
1x weekly DEL on AC
1x weekly LHR on WS

I may be missing quite a few... oh, and there are more downsizing than upsizes.

As for remote stands.. the East Apron site seems to be ready, but I doubt it will see much use in the near future. Maybe now the midnight departure slot will be busier than the early afternoon slots? At least they'll need to move those RON aircraft around next summer I think...

YVR-FRA on AC goes from 789 to 77W, pretty good increase in seats there.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

YVR-FRA on AC goes from 789 to 77W, pretty good increase in seats there.

The loss of the second daily LHR on AC is also being offset by adding a 77W Instead of the 788/789 combo and the WS up gauge to a 789 also helps offset the loss.

I guess the writing on the wall with HX. What a shitty time of year for this to happen now pax will have to scramble to find alternate flights. I’m doing to the BR route via TPE again this Xmas.

[thenoflyzone]

Chinese airlines lost $3.1 billion US dollars on international services in 2018.

[SFUVancouver]

Has anyone mentioned yet that Craig Richmond has announced his retirement (June 30, 2020)?

https://biv.com/article/2019/11/vancouver-airport-authority-ceo-craig-richmond-retire-mid-2020

[swan_ch]

HX had officially announced the last flight between HKG-YVR would be on Feb. 10,2020, shortly after the Chinese New Year(Jan. 25).

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Has anyone mentioned yet that Craig Richmond has announced his retirement (June 30, 2020)?

https://biv.com/article/2019/11/vancouver-airport-authority-ceo-craig-richmond-retire-mid-2020

Good time to leave. YVR is going to stagnate for the next few years. Better to pass the torch onto someone else now.

Incidentally, GTAA CEO Howard Eng is also retiring next year. He will be replaced by Deborah Flint, a Hamilton native who is currently in charge of LAX and VNY with LAWA.

https://www.torontopearson.com/en/corporate/media/press-releases/2019-01-08

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by swan_ch

HX had officially announced the last flight between HKG-YVR would be on Feb. 10,2020, shortly after the Chinese New Year(Jan. 25).

Flights after December 9 are still not open for reservation. Don't think they'll last until February.

[nname]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Flights after December 9 are still not open for reservation.

There are... but limited service though. Some flights are still available in Jan and Feb. Probably a "temporary suspension" in Dec?

I wonder who would be brave enough to book those flights after the "service resumption" in January...

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by nname

There are... but limited service though. Some flights are still available in Jan and Feb. Probably a "temporary suspension" in Dec?

I wonder who would be brave enough to book those flights after the "service resumption" in January...

Looks like its for Chinese New Year based on the dates they've reopened.

[SpongeG]

Hong Kong Airlines Announces The End Of Long Haul Flights
by Joanna Bailey
November 29, 2019

Hong Kong Airlines has today announced the closure of its last long haul route. Vancouver will no longer feature on its schedules from February 2020, and bookings will be closed from early December. This is the latest of many cuts to the struggling airline’s routes and comes amid worries from the Chinese government over the future viability of the carrier.

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https://simpleflying.com/hong-kong-airlines-long-haul/

Hong Kong to allow airlines to keep airport slots despite cutting capacity

Reuters November 28, 2019

(Reuters) - Airlines that fly to and from Hong Kong will be able to keep their prized airport slots even if they temporarily cut capacity due to weak travel demand through March, according to the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department.

Many airlines, including flagship home carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd, South African Airways and Malaysia’s AirAsia Group Bhd have cut flights to and from Hong Kong temporarily as a result of sometimes violent anti-government protests that have led to a sharp fall in tourist and business travel demand.

More than 5,800 people have been arrested since the unrest broke out in June over a proposal to allow extraditions to mainland China, the numbers grew in October and November as violence escalated.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongk...s-despite-cutting-capacity-idUSKBN1Y229C

United Airlines Cuts More Hong Kong Flights

by Mark Finlay
November 26, 2019

Chicago based United Airlines has decided to cut its capacity on flights to Hong Kong due to the on-going protests in the former British Colony. The increasingly violent civil unrest, now into its fifth month, has led to thousands of people either deferring travel to Hong Kong or canceling their trips altogether.

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https://simpleflying.com/united-airlines-hong-kong-2/

[Gordon]

With the demise of HX , will there be an opportunity for capacity increases to Hong Kong when things return to a more normal situation?

What ws the capacity usage to Hong Kong?

[casper]

Originally Posted by Gordon

With the demise of HX , will there be an opportunity for capacity increases to Hong Kong when things return to a more normal situation?

What ws the capacity usage to Hong Kong?

Hong Kong will not return to the "old normal". It was in this weird half in/half out state within China. My prediction is that balance can not be maintained. It will either shift to being fully integrated into China or become independent like Taiwan. Just not certain which way it is going to go or how many lives will be lost in the transition.

Honk Kong was a good airport for onward connections. I think a lot of that connecting traffic is now going through Taipei, Tokyo/Narita or South Korea.