Does Western Alienation exist, and how can we fix it?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

You keep repeating the same tired old false info and assumptions. If you don't know what you're talking about keep quiet.

FYI the premiere of Quebec today is crying that they're going to run out of propane in less than five days. Maybe if we had strategic supplies of key products he wouldn't be in panic mode.

FYI the person in charge of TMX now is Seamus O'Regan who even Liberal supporters have ZERO faith in. Speaks volumes that Justin put him in charge of natural resources.

Don't bother responding. Save your fingers from typing out the same nonsense.

Thanks!

I just find it laughable Quebec uses propane to heat hospitals.

[milomilo]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

You keep repeating the same tired old false info and assumptions. If you don't know what you're talking about keep quiet.

FYI the premiere of Quebec today is crying that they're going to run out of propane in less than five days. Maybe if we had strategic supplies of key products he wouldn't be in panic mode.

FYI the person in charge of TMX now is Seamus O'Regan who even Liberal supporters have ZERO faith in. Speaks volumes that Justin put him in charge of natural resources.

Don't bother responding. Save your fingers from typing out the same nonsense.

Thanks!

Don't worry, I think everyone else here treats your posts with the same respect I do. You can continue shouting at clouds if you want, or you can face reality. It'll make you much happier if you do.

[SpongeG]

The Quebec running out of gas article on a facebook page from Oil Country, NE BC, brought out a lot of Anti-Quebec sentiment in the comments section. Not much love for Quebec and their enjoying living off the long days working they do for them out west.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by rousseau

Take it from me. Take it from anyone. Use it as a mantra when in the supermarket.

Never. Buy. Produce. Or, Other. Edibles. From. China.

These are made in China. In Australia they have a rule that any food must be labelled where it comes from, in Canada it just says imported. But M&M makes these in China


chewboom.com

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

These are made in China. In Australia they have a rule that any food must be labelled where it comes from, in Canada it just says imported.

You sure about that? I've never seen a label that just says "imported" on the fine print.

[kwoldtimer]

I find that too many processed food products give no indication of country of origin. I'm not sure why the rules don't seem to be applied consistently.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Canadian product origin rules have huge loopholes in them:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/marketplace-apple-juice-labelling-1.4898054

Even then, it's unclear if the products are even labeled correctly:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-china-food-inspection-items-problems-1.5211623

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You sure about that? I've never seen a label that just says "imported" on the fine print.

well these ones don't say China or people wouldn't be buying them. It doesn't say any country on the labels of these, unless It has changed I will look today at Walmart to see what it says. I just know when I bought in Australia it said Made in China.

[ssiguy]

As far as this rather nebulous concept of Western Alienation and how it can be fixed, the short answer is no. This is because there is no such thing and hence requires no solution. The West is not some sort of monolithic region but a collection of 4 quite different ones.

Alberta is the obvious mouthpiece but is not alienated but more just pissed. They chose their MPs and are pissed off because they backed the wrong horse even near the end when a Liberal government was all but assured. The only people they should be pissed off with is themselves because even one lone Alberta MP would be guaranteed a major cabinet portfolio. The problem is instead of looking in the mirror for reasons of the current situation it is far easier and politically advantageous to blame Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa.

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

As far as this rather nebulous concept of Western Alienation and how it can be fixed, the short answer is no. This is because there is no such thing and hence requires no solution. The West is not some sort of monolithic region but a collection of 4 quite different ones.

Alberta is the obvious mouthpiece but is not alienated but more just pissed. They chose their MPs and are pissed off because they backed the wrong horse even near the end when a Liberal government was all but assured. The only people they should be pissed off with is themselves because even one lone Alberta MP would be guaranteed a major cabinet portfolio. The problem is instead of looking in the mirror for reasons of the current situation it is far easier and politically advantageous to blame Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa.

Your opinion from White Rock, BC.

[misher]

Originally Posted by NotToScale

Your opinion from White Rock, BC.

I’m feeling pretty alienated over here in Vancouver, BC. I can drive to Ottawa faster going through America than Canada.

[vid]

Most Canadian food doesn't have to say where it's from, it just has to say "Imported by". You have to ask the person or company named after the words "Imported By" to find out where its from.

Originally Posted by rousseau

Take it from me. Take it from anyone. Use it as a mantra when in the supermarket.

Never. Buy. Produce. Or, Other. Edibles. From. China.

They've also banned GMOs, which is highly suspect. Only fascists ban GMOs. *cough*Russia*cough*

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

As far as this rather nebulous concept of Western Alienation and how it can be fixed, the short answer is no. This is because there is no such thing and hence requires no solution. The West is not some sort of monolithic region but a collection of 4 quite different ones.

Alberta is the obvious mouthpiece but is not alienated but more just pissed. They chose their MPs and are pissed off because they backed the wrong horse even near the end when a Liberal government was all but assured. The only people they should be pissed off with is themselves because even one lone Alberta MP would be guaranteed a major cabinet portfolio. The problem is instead of looking in the mirror for reasons of the current situation it is far easier and politically advantageous to blame Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa.

So, what do you do when you see your job opportunities dry up because of the perceived problem with the federal government?

[vid]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, what do you do when you see your job opportunities dry up because of the perceived problem with the federal government?

In Thunder Bay's case, you elect Joe Commuzzi 6 times and hope for miracles.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by vid

In Thunder Bay's case, you elect Joe Commuzzi 6 times and hope for miracles.

Kinda like electing conservatives?

[Rollerstud98]

Social conservatives yes. A true progressive conservative is not a bad thing. Unfortunately the socials are mucking it up.

[NetMapel]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, what do you do when you see your job opportunities dry up because of the perceived problem with the federal government?

I think it's important for everyone to take a proactive approach to handling their career. Industries change everywhere and it can be a combination of government policies and world trends. Think of fisheries in Atlantic Canada, manufacturing in Ontario, and forestry in BC for examples. I have seen jobs from my industry moving out to another province due to xyz reasons. I self taught myself new skills so I could make my transition to something else that would hopefully be more stable. So in my humble opinion, there are several general things I'd consider if I work in the oil and gas sector in Alberta.
- It's clearly very cyclical for one reason or another. So I would be saving like mad during the boom time because I know there will be bust time.
- Oil sand is clearly the more expensive form of oils one way or another as well. So even if the world won't be phasing out oil for another 50 years, I'd imagine the most expensive form of oil would be the first to go during energy transition.
- Environmental concerns and climate change is only going to become a bigger issue than before. Governments around the world are creating policies to become more green.

If I work in oil and gas, I would have been using all my free time to take up another skill to move away from it. I have all the sympathies of indirect industries and businesses in Alberta that are negatively affected by all this. But if I'm a young guy working in the oil field, I would not be spending my six figure pay cheques on luxury items and all that. I would be saving and going back to school for another skill training. It would seem irresponsible for me not to do so as I feel those are some pretty clear trends. That's why I guess I am shocked at all the anger from Alberta from people who seem caught by surprise by all this?

[Dengler Avenue]

Maybe Harper spoiled the oil sector, after all.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by NetMapel

I think it's important for everyone to take a proactive approach to handling their career. Industries change everywhere and it can be a combination of government policies and world trends. Think of fisheries in Atlantic Canada, manufacturing in Ontario, and forestry in BC for examples. I have seen jobs from my industry moving out to another province due to xyz reasons. I self taught myself new skills so I could make my transition to something else that would hopefully be more stable. So in my humble opinion, there are several general things I'd consider if I work in the oil and gas sector in Alberta.
- It's clearly very cyclical for one reason or another. So I would be saving like mad during the boom time because I know there will be bust time.
- Oil sand is clearly the more expensive form of oils one way or another as well. So even if the world won't be phasing out oil for another 50 years, I'd imagine the most expensive form of oil would be the first to go during energy transition.
- Environmental concerns and climate change is only going to become a bigger issue than before. Governments around the world are creating policies to become more green.

If I work in oil and gas, I would have been using all my free time to take up another skill to move away from it. I have all the sympathies of indirect industries and businesses in Alberta that are negatively affected by all this. But if I'm a young guy working in the oil field, I would not be spending my six figure pay cheques on luxury items and all that. I would be saving and going back to school for another skill training. It would seem irresponsible for me not to do so as I feel those are some pretty clear trends. That's why I guess I am shocked at all the anger from Alberta from people who seem caught by surprise by all this?

yeah thats a problem with the industry when people don't have enough education. I worked with a guy and we made good money for what we did. He left for a new entry level job in the oil industry for almost double what he was making. The job had free housing in a camp. So he starts there and is getting huge pay cheques so what does he do, he moves out of the free housing and rents a place, than finances a car, buys consoles and toys and blow. Spring hits and as usual the overtime hours dry up and your working bare minimum hours and now he can't afford his rent or his payments and is freaking out cause he has no money cause he wasted it all instead of putting it away for the slow season that is normal in most of the industry, the bulk of work is done in the winter when there are no road bans etc.

They pay high for that reason cause a few months you make great money than a few months you make barely any so you dip into what you should be putting aside to get through the season. I know my brother can be between jobs for months at a time as that is the way his particular trade goes.

Too many don't understand that as they don't seem to teach you that perhaps? than they get mad and blame everything else for their bad decisions hence where we end up today with wexit.

[Loco101]

So many people working in natural resources sectors can't understand that their types of jobs aren't stable and they have this mindset that their income will remain high for a long time. I see it all the time with many working in mining in Timmins and it obviously exists in the oil and gas sector.