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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 6:06 PM
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I am sure my optimism about what might be starting construction in the next 5 years is more than you. Shovels in the ground do matter but you cannot have shovels in the ground without having proposals being put forward by developers.

While the list of proposals for Edmonton is a mere blimp compared to cities like Vancouver and Toronto, it more than stacks up nicely to Canadian cities of the same size.

So, to my point, there is still lots going on.
I've been following and updating the Edmonton's SSP database for over 15 years. Proposals have never been an issue in Edmonton. The following comment is not specific to Edmonton. I stopped adding every proposal posted in this thread because I ended up deleting most of them. The number of proposals and the height of them tells you there is a market. It doesn't tell you how big of a market or how many will be built. It doesn't tell you which are zoning exercises and which are proposed by serious developers.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 6:45 PM
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If you want to get into minute details like that, you most definitely won't like the result. The difference is about double or more at present. This is why Edmonton's inner city population has decreased over the past decade, while Calgary's has almost doubled.

Since you asked;

West Village 1 - 150 meters
11th and 11 - 138 meters
West Village 2 - 125 meters
ONE - 122 meters
Curtis Block North - 118 meters
Curtis Block South - 118 meters
500 Block South - 110 meters
Dorian - 98 meters
The Hub - 91 meters
Arris East - 90 meters
Calgary Cancer Centre - 67 meters
Mackimmie Tower - 60 meters
Dominion West - 50 meters
Dominion East - 50 meters
Alt Hotel University District - 50 meters
Lumino - 46 meters
Redstone - 44 meters
Hat 7 Ave - 42 meters
Riverwalk - 40 meters

Just off the top of my head...
First, I never asked because frankly I do not care.

Second, you should stop trying to boost Calgary by comparing it to other cities. You will note that I never get into commenting about what you say about Calgary unless you are proving false commentary about Edmonton in the process. You seem to think you know what's going on in Edmonton more than me which really is annoying because you really don't.

Perhaps you should just stick to commenting about Calgary.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 7:04 PM
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Ugghhhh....got some more bad number's for Chad's city. Disclaimer, I contract for one of the 2 companies in the BOW, am a proud Albertan and no way am I "happy" that this is happening to Ctown.

BOW - once home to over 4000 workers between EnCana and Cenovus - will only have approx. 1300 workers once EnCana downsizes from 1100 to only 300 (field office) workers. Even though Suttles said there wouldn't - I've heard from within.
Brookfield - Cenovus has taken ZERO square footage from that building. 4 floors occupied?
BP Tower - British Petroleum - literally has 13 workers in their own building, NOT joking.
Devon Tower - the remaining 250 Devon/CNRL employees - transfer to CNRL Bankers Hall(s) spaces. Building will be empty.

From my sources in Calgary - they say it will soon be a "field office" for Texas O&G companies, ie, EnCana (Ovintiv), Conoco, Oxy, Marathon etc. However, Suncor, CNRL and Shell still have very much a DT presence....so some good news. Which makes me wonder of the sheer volume of rental units under construction in the city....if 40% of the office towers are empty....then how can 5000 rental units even dream of being rented.....
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 7:28 PM
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If you want to get into minute details like that, you most definitely won't like the result. The difference is about double or more at present. This is why Edmonton's inner city population has decreased over the past decade, while Calgary's has almost doubled.
As of right now, there is not a lot of difference between the 2 cities. The combined area of the Beltline and Downtown Calgary - 4.7 sq km's - 43 000 pop. Oliver and Downtown Edmonton = 4 sq km's - 32 000 pop.

Adjust the smaller Edmonton sample size up to the larger Calgary area, and take population density into account, Edmonton would be at around 38 000 people over 4.7 sq km's.

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BOW - once home to over 4000 workers between EnCana and Cenovus - will only have approx. 1300 workers once EnCana downsizes from 1100 to only 300 (field office) workers. Even though Suttles said there wouldn't - I've heard from within.
Brookfield - Cenovus has taken ZERO square footage from that building. 4 floors occupied?
BP Tower - British Petroleum - literally has 13 workers in their own building, NOT joking.
Devon Tower - the remaining 250 Devon/CNRL employees - transfer to CNRL Bankers Hall(s) spaces. Building will be empty.
That is bleak news. Downtown residential development is largely driven by office activity, so I would imagine there would be quite a slowdown there.

It seems Edmonton and Calgary walk hand in hand, as they always have.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 7:35 PM
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First, I never asked because frankly I do not care.

Second, you should stop trying to boost Calgary by comparing it to other cities. You will note that I never get into commenting about what you say about Calgary unless you are proving false commentary about Edmonton in the process. You seem to think you know what's going on in Edmonton more than me which really is annoying because you really don't.

Perhaps you should just stick to commenting about Calgary.
None of what I have said in the course of this conversation is untrue. I know a lot about Edmonton and the goings on there, so of course will continue to provide commentary on it when it is relevant. I compare Calgary only to cities of comparable population (Edmonton and Ottawa). I never said I know more about Edmonton than you do, but I most certainly know more than you think I do. The problem for you is that numbers don't lie, so again, nothing I've said in this conversation is untrue.


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As of right now, there is not a lot of difference between the 2 cities. The combined area of the Beltline and Downtown Calgary - 4.7 sq km's - 43 000 pop. Oliver and Downtown Edmonton = 4 sq km's - 32 000 pop.

Adjust the smaller Edmonton sample size up to the larger Calgary area, and take population density into account, Edmonton would be at around 38 000 people over 4.7 sq km's.
Again, the difference is that - as seen in the municipal censuses released a few months ago - Calgary's inner city population is increasing very quickly, while somehow Edmonton's is declining. That was the point. You are also including the unbuildable land owned by the Stampede Board (the 0.5 km2 Stampede Park) in your calculations, which skews things further.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 7:50 PM
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I dunno. I guess everybody wants their downtown to look like Manhattan, but the reality is that there is wide open land available close to the city center's of both cities (Edmonton Calgary). Condos are a rip-off, so you would be far better off buying a house in a city where houses are very affordable.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 9:04 PM
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So proposals.....................

Here are 2 more renders of the 483 Bell Trinity Square proposal.
Source: urbabtoronto.ca
Address 483 Bay Street, Toronto, Ontario
Category Condo
Status Pre-Construction
Height 744 ft / 227 m
Storeys 70
Number of Units 590


     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 9:07 PM
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This one has been stagnant since the early spring. I hope it moves forward soon.

source: urbantoronto.ca
Address 64 Prince Arthur Avenue, Toronto, Ontario
Category Condo
Status Pre-Construction
Height 428 ft / 130 m
Storeys 29
Number of Units 60





     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 9:45 PM
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^WHOA!
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With regards to Edmonton:

- Ice district Tower B - 50 stories - residential; - will go, i'd bet 2yrs out
- BMO Tower - 50 stories - hotel/residential; - consultants working on drawings, mid-2020
- Great Gulf Tower - 61 stories - residential; - believe it to be 52-55, but late 2020 at the earliest, likely though.
- Aldritt Tower - 80 stories - mixed use; - who knows
- Jasper - 115th - 42 stories - residential - Edm motors will go, 2020/2021
- Jasper - 115th - 47 stories - residential; -Edm motors will go, 2020/2021
- Emerald Tower - 45 stories - residential; - after BMO, so 2023?
- Falcon Tower 2 - 43 stories - residential; - market dependant
- Falcon Tower 1 - 37 stories - residential; - hearing mid-2020
- Jasper 108 - 45 stories - residential; - pushing forward quickly, unsure which of the 3 (10 storey connector) will go first
- Jasper 108 - 35 stories - residential; - As above
- The Clancy - 29 stories -residential; - likely next in the ground, 2020
- Arts-Hab - 18 stories - residential; - CANCELLED
- The Heights - 43 stories - residential; - Next up after The View, so 2021?
- Milner Tower - 14 stories- conversion; - 2020
- Brewery District - 15 stories - residential; - unsure
- Healy Ford Towers (3) up to 50/45/40- residential; new owner, getting back up and going, but partial re-design
- Grandin City Tower 2 - 43 stories - residential; - unsure
- Oliver Tower -17 stories - residential; - unsure
- Mackenzie Tower - 34 stories - mixed use; TBD
- The Shift - 38 and 35 stories - residential; - late 2020/early 2021
- Cascadia - 10 stories; residential; - 4-5 storeys, no res.
- Jasper and 123 - 32 stories - residential. - hearing late 2020
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SO just found out that this one will will have it's hearing Feb 20th so maybe it might move forward in the spring.


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This one has been stagnant since the early spring. I hope it moves forward soon.

source: urbantoronto.ca
Address 64 Prince Arthur Avenue, Toronto, Ontario
Category Condo
Status Pre-Construction
Height 428 ft / 130 m
Storeys 29
Number of Units 60


     
     
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New project which was quite controversial because the promoter had asked permission to the City to build 5 stories instead of the 4 currently allowed on this lot. In exchange for the height increase, the promoter agreed to use high quality materials such as stone, wood and metal roofing. Some of the neighboors were strongly opposed to the project because, according to them, it was "savage densification". They also claimed that the project, situated inside the walls, might have an impact on Quebec's Unesco status... Anyway, it will go ahead and I am glad. The attention to details in this project is great.





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^WHOA!
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With regards to Edmonton:

- Ice district Tower B - 50 stories - residential; - will go, i'd bet 2yrs out
- BMO Tower - 50 stories - hotel/residential; - consultants working on drawings, mid-2020
- Great Gulf Tower - 61 stories - residential; - believe it to be 52-55, but late 2020 at the earliest, likely though.
- Aldritt Tower - 80 stories - mixed use; - who knows
- Jasper - 115th - 42 stories - residential - Edm motors will go, 2020/2021
- Jasper - 115th - 47 stories - residential; -Edm motors will go, 2020/2021
- Emerald Tower - 45 stories - residential; - after BMO, so 2023?
- Falcon Tower 2 - 43 stories - residential; - market dependant
- Falcon Tower 1 - 37 stories - residential; - hearing mid-2020
- Jasper 108 - 45 stories - residential; - pushing forward quickly, unsure which of the 3 (10 storey connector) will go first
- Jasper 108 - 35 stories - residential; - As above
- The Clancy - 29 stories -residential; - likely next in the ground, 2020
- Arts-Hab - 18 stories - residential; - CANCELLED
- The Heights - 43 stories - residential; - Next up after The View, so 2021?
- Milner Tower - 14 stories- conversion; - 2020
- Brewery District - 15 stories - residential; - unsure
- Healy Ford Towers (3) up to 50/45/40- residential; new owner, getting back up and going, but partial re-design
- Grandin City Tower 2 - 43 stories - residential; - unsure
- Oliver Tower -17 stories - residential; - unsure
- Mackenzie Tower - 34 stories - mixed use; TBD
- The Shift - 38 and 35 stories - residential; - late 2020/early 2021
- Cascadia - 10 stories; residential; - 4-5 storeys, no res.
- Jasper and 123 - 32 stories - residential. - hearing late 2020
Are any of these under construction? Because I was only listing buildings above 35 meters (though there were none under 40) currently underway. That is, if you were posting this in response to yesterday's conversation.



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This one has been stagnant since the early spring. I hope it moves forward soon.

source: urbantoronto.ca
Address 64 Prince Arthur Avenue, Toronto, Ontario
Category Condo
Status Pre-Construction
Height 428 ft / 130 m
Storeys 29
Number of Units 60






Holy shit, if built this will be the nicest residential tower in Canada.
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This looks great and perfectly scaled in this render. It sound's like they were coming up with all sorts of reasons to stop it hoping something would stick.

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They also claimed that the project, situated inside the walls, might have an impact on Quebec's Unesco status...




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It sound's like they were coming up with all sorts of reasons to stop it hoping something would stick.

Yep yep yep.
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Theo Condos - 1030 Danforth Ave.


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/condoman-developments-bringing-8-storey-condo-danforth


33 Parliament


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/graywoods-33-parliament-resubmitted-site-plan-approval


Central Park - at Sheppard & Leslie in North York


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/amexon-proposes-multi-tower-central-park-sheppard-and-leslie


801 York Mills Road & 1855 Leslie Street in North York


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/first-capital-proposes-condo-complex-york-mills-and-leslie


123 Portland


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/minto-launches-123-portland-condos-torontos-fashion-district


1745 St Clair West


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/11-storey-condo-proposed-st-clair-and-old-weston


888 Dupont


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/11/13-storey-mixed-use-building-proposed-888-dupont


24 Imperial St. (Yonge & Davisville)


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/10/9-storey-condo-proposed-near-yonge-and-davisville


The Quad Student Residence Phase 2, York University


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/10/second-phase-planned-quad-student-residence-york-u


TCHC Don Summerville Apartments


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/10/mixed-income-redevelopment-planned-tchc-property-queen-east


900 East Mall, in Etobicoke


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/10/four-twisting-condo-towers-proposed-east-mall-etobicoke


324 Queen St. West


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/09/nar...uilding-redevelop-sliver-land-queen-west


Brampton Shopper's World Redevelopment






https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2019/10/massive-mixed-use-proposal-shoppers-world-brampton
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Source: https://cdn.skyrisecities.com

Address 287 Davenport Rd., Toronto, Ontario
Category Condo, Retail
Status Pre-Construction
Height 192 ft / 59 m
Storeys 15
Number of Units 106
Developer Burnac Corporation
Architect AUDAX architecture
Landscape Architect Ronald Holbrook and Associates Landscape Architects
Planning Bousfields, GBCA Architects











     
     
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What a hulking monstrosity. And why is the cladding 3 different colours?
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Really? I like it.
     
     
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