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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 5:04 PM
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Good thing in a P3, the proponent will be fixing all of this. Stairs, drains, tiles, deciding to put in a washroom if people don't stop peeing on the tracks (saw on twitter this happened -- maybe someone thought there was a bathroom in a station?).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 5:14 PM
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Public water fountains where they can freeze? Incompetence!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 5:47 PM
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Public water fountains where they can freeze? Incompetence!
And leaking. If the fountains were actually working, they should not leak and result in such an icy mess.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 6:16 PM
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And leaking. If the fountains were actually working, they should not leak and result in such an icy mess.
I think you are confusing the chicken with the egg. When water freezes, it expands, causing the pipes to crack, creating a leak.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 6:31 PM
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I think you are confusing the chicken with the egg. When water freezes, it expands, causing the pipes to crack, creating a leak.
Exactly, water pipes that may freeze need to winterized by shutting them off and having any remaining water blown out.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 6:37 PM
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Meh: the contractor will have to fix all of these things. They have to maintain it all for decades. They have to pay compensation if someone slips and falls. It sucks that mistakes were made (and that people were injured), but they will all be fixed.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 7:23 PM
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From the Ottawa Citizen

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Commute: OC Transpo blames 'high customer volume' for sluggish LRT service Wednesday
13 trains are not enough to guarantee smooth operations.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 8:46 PM
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Exactly, water pipes that may freeze need to winterized by shutting them off and having any remaining water blown out.
True, obviously, but if these were meant to be open during the winter, one would expect the pipes would be insulated.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 9:06 PM
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Water fountain at Pimisi has warm water in it and it worked fine yesterday. I guess something went wrong with one at Hurdman.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 9:24 PM
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Water fountain at Pimisi has warm water in it and it worked fine yesterday. I guess something went wrong with one at Hurdman.
That seems very risky if exposed to -20 or -30 weather.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 11:49 PM
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Sadly trollery has driven Ken Woods off Twitter. There goes the only reliable source of what's going on the control room.

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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 12:07 AM
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Water fountain at Pimisi has warm water in it and it worked fine yesterday. I guess something went wrong with one at Hurdman.
A warm water drinking fountain? Ick.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 1:46 AM
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City considers raiding other budgets to fix transit problems

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 13, 2019


Budgets of other city departments could be raided to fix a troubled public transit system plagued by the unreliable LRT system in what would have been an unfathomable scenario a year ago when city hall was giddy about launching the $2.1-billion Confederation Line.

Now it seems city management is scouring every corner of city hall for extra funds to bolster a transit system whose two-month-old cutting-edge rail system is, shockingly, rickety.

“We are dealing with an unknown situation here,” said Coun. Allan Hubley, chair of the transit commission, on Wednesday.

“I can’t turn to you and say I know those trains are going to work every day going forward. I don’t have that confidence, and that bothers me. It bothers me a lot.”

Hubley said the city would have to look at a traffic plan if the city was going to establish new bus routes through the core — essentially reinstating the Transitway downtown.

Even so, the city would need to figure out where to get the extra buses so quickly.

When a replacement bus service goes into effect during an LRT breakdown, those buses are redirected from other routes. The city would need even more buses and drivers to handle the demand.

“It’s not possible to say to you we can put bus service back on a full-time basis tomorrow, or even Monday. It’s going to take some time to look at that. We should be looking at that right away,” Hubley said.

“We’re obviously going to have to go in and make changes to the overall city budget, not the transit budget. The transit budget can’t afford that on its own. We’re going to have to take from other things in that budget to fund that, if that’s what we’re going to do, and I’m open to the discussion.”

Hubley acknowledged that redirecting money from outside of the transit department won’t be a popular idea, considering the amount of work that has gone into writing a $3.8-billion draft 2020 budget.

A few options have been floated to improve the transit network, such as making the replacement crosstown bus service a regular route, relieving pressure on the LRT line, or bringing back suburb-to-downtown bus routes. Currently, most transit customers who are heading downtown from the suburbs have to transfer to LRT at Tunney’s Pasture, Hurdman or Blair stations.

Coun. Jeff Leiper is one of the councillors asking the city to see how Transpo can restore some of the parallel bus service that ran for the first three weeks of LRT operations.

“If the train were to break down, people have an option at that point of how to get around it,” Leiper said.

Leiper said he’s trying to be pragmatic about how to beef up the transit system with bus service, knowing it will take more buses, staff and money. He was encouraged by “a lot of open-mindedness” from the mayor’s office and the transit brain trust on ways to the fix the transit system.

The parallel bus service between September and October cost the city about $1 million per week, Hubley said, and he’s not sure if it would be enough to solve the problem.

The longevity of 40 recently recommissioned buses is also in question, Hubley said. After all, there was a reason those buses were part of the 175 pulled off the road and sent the auction block after LRT launched.

Many of the recent problems at Transpo have roots in the unstable LRT system, which opened Sept. 14. The city blames Rideau Transit Group (RTG) and the company’s maintenance arm.

When a train becomes disabled and slows the rail service, passengers fill station platforms. Longer delays have forced Transpo to activate replacement bus service between stations, forcing customers out of the stations and onto the curb.

Coun. Stephen Blais, who represents the some of the easternmost suburbs in Cumberland ward, said “disappointing isn’t a strong enough word to use.”

“The service is not coming close to meeting anyone’s expectations,” Blais said. “The failure rate is beyond what is acceptable. I think all options are on the table at the moment.”

Blais, who chaired the transit commission last term of council, said big changes can’t happen overnight, since the city would have to find the money and draw up bus routes that mesh with the existing traffic patterns, plus come up with a communications plan.

“We need to have the runway time to make those changes,” Blais said. “We need the co-operation of the provincial government and the MTO to make the changes on the highway. All of this is occupying, effectively, all of the time of the most senior leadership in the city, not just today, but for the past several weeks.”

The transit commission will consider Transpo’s draft 2020 budget next Wednesday.

Transit managers already have to make changes to satisfy a request from Hubley and Mayor Jim Watson to freeze all transit fares for the first three months of the year. The two politicians believe money held back from RTG because of the train problems could backfill money lost in a fare freeze.

Other transit commissioners and councillors are gunning for a full-year fare freeze to compensate riders for the recent terrible service.

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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 2:46 AM
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Took a VIA train today. Don't think escalators are needed. The number of elevators and common mezzanine does fine to get pax to the platforms easily.

Was honestly more bothersome that there's no covered walkway (not OC Transpo issue) and more heaters on the platform.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 2:49 AM
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In my opinion, the best available compromise between maintaining regular bus service and having "other options" while the LRT is being stabilized is to have OC Transpo dispatch R1 buses more eagerly at the first sign of trouble rather than as a last resort.

Anything else would be problematic. From a budget/bus availability perspective, or the impact it would have on regular bus service, or if they go with running "some" routes through the core the fact that an impossible to predict number of people will chose to try and cram onto some available parallel bus resulting in massive overcrowding of the buses, even while the train is operating just fine.

Dispatching R1 buses right away, even for false alarms and whatnot, at least ensures that replacement buses are available immediately, and could help better manage a stream of replacement buses right from the start of a potential problem, rather than 15 minutes into a problem.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 3:07 AM
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Public water fountains where they can freeze? Incompetence!
I remember seeing those the first time I entered Hurdman from that direction, and thinking, "they're gonna have to winterize those soon."
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 3:27 AM
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In my opinion, the best available compromise between maintaining regular bus service and having "other options" while the LRT is being stabilized is to have OC Transpo dispatch R1 buses more eagerly at the first sign of trouble rather than as a last resort.

Anything else would be problematic. From a budget/bus availability perspective, or the impact it would have on regular bus service, or if they go with running "some" routes through the core the fact that an impossible to predict number of people will chose to try and cram onto some available parallel bus resulting in massive overcrowding of the buses, even while the train is operating just fine.

Dispatching R1 buses right away, even for false alarms and whatnot, at least ensures that replacement buses are available immediately, and could help better manage a stream of replacement buses right from the start of a potential problem, rather than 15 minutes into a problem.
Isn't part of the issue that R1 buses are pulled off of other routes? If that's the case, I'd understand some initial hesitation in launching the auxilliary service.

Whether it's a good idea to raid our skeleton bus routes for inevitable LRT problems is another story...
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 5:52 AM
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I'm just going to quote myself from June:



We could and should have continued reaping penalty cash while RTG stewed over this mess and instead we were project managing in the public/media eye and ultimately the City was pressured into accepted a hunk.
The problem is the penalty money was way to small (a million dollars every few months on a 2 billion contract) to incentivize RTG to do anything.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 6:21 AM
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Hi all... longtime lurker but finally felt compelled to post.

I took a trip on Line 1 this evening from Tunney's to Lees that was weird on all levels. Here's the narrative:

As I arrived at Tunney's around 22:00, I missed the train by seconds, but another was scheduled for 14 minutes later (still not as frequent as expected for before midnight) with one following it being 40 minutes away. All of a sudden, the next-train arrival board changed to show the next train being 19 minutes away, with no train after it (I.e. the board only showed one train).

Once the train arrived and we were headed back eastbound, an automated audio announcement onboard kept repeating "sorry for the delay, we will be moving again shortly". As the train approached Bayview, it almost came to a complete stop, before crawling into the station.

The doors opened and remained open at Bayview for well over 25-30 seconds (the type of dwell time you'd expect at peak times). Once the train got going again, it was crawling toward Pimisi. From what I understood, the speed reduction due to the cracked rail was only supposed to affect Hurdman to Tremblay. At Pimisi, the dwell time was closer to 10-15 seconds.

Finally, we continued on towards Lyon station, again at a slower speed than normal. Once at Lyon, the doors are now on manual mode... in an underground station. The chime and audio announcement go off for each individual set of doors which is incredibly annoying as well. At Parliament and Rideau, the doors are again inexplicably on manual mode.

Out of the tunnel now at uOttawa and the doors are... you guessed it, back on automatic mode with 30ish second dwell. Freezing cold. I finally got off at Lees where the doors were on automatic and the train dwelled after I had left the station.

To add to this list of oddities, when the doors opened at Parliament station, we could hear someone coughing loudly over the station PA system.

Since Line 1 opened, this was by far the most bizarre and frustrating trip I've taken, despite the fact that I've been relatively lucky so far and haven't encountered many other delays, partly due to the fact that I don't commute at peak periods. Sorry to make my first post somewhat of a rant, but I posted here because I figured it would inspire more thoughtful discussion as opposed to Reddit.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 12:33 PM
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Hi all... longtime lurker but finally felt compelled to post.

I took a trip on Line 1 this evening from Tunney's to Lees that was weird on all levels. Here's the narrative:

As I arrived at Tunney's around 22:00, I missed the train by seconds, but another was scheduled for 14 minutes later (still not as frequent as expected for before midnight) with one following it being 40 minutes away. All of a sudden, the next-train arrival board changed to show the next train being 19 minutes away, with no train after it (I.e. the board only showed one train).

Once the train arrived and we were headed back eastbound, an automated audio announcement onboard kept repeating "sorry for the delay, we will be moving again shortly". As the train approached Bayview, it almost came to a complete stop, before crawling into the station.

The doors opened and remained open at Bayview for well over 25-30 seconds (the type of dwell time you'd expect at peak times). Once the train got going again, it was crawling toward Pimisi. From what I understood, the speed reduction due to the cracked rail was only supposed to affect Hurdman to Tremblay. At Pimisi, the dwell time was closer to 10-15 seconds.

Finally, we continued on towards Lyon station, again at a slower speed than normal. Once at Lyon, the doors are now on manual mode... in an underground station. The chime and audio announcement go off for each individual set of doors which is incredibly annoying as well. At Parliament and Rideau, the doors are again inexplicably on manual mode.

Out of the tunnel now at uOttawa and the doors are... you guessed it, back on automatic mode with 30ish second dwell. Freezing cold. I finally got off at Lees where the doors were on automatic and the train dwelled after I had left the station.

To add to this list of oddities, when the doors opened at Parliament station, we could hear someone coughing loudly over the station PA system.

Since Line 1 opened, this was by far the most bizarre and frustrating trip I've taken, despite the fact that I've been relatively lucky so far and haven't encountered many other delays, partly due to the fact that I don't commute at peak periods. Sorry to make my first post somewhat of a rant, but I posted here because I figured it would inspire more thoughtful discussion as opposed to Reddit.
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