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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
I'm assuming that this future is sometime after the next turn of the century - Langley Regional Airport is currently a series of flying schools and the smallest air museum I know of.
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Langley Regional isn't the prize. Langley Memorial, WC Blaire, and LSS are.
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Originally Posted by scryer
….You might be onto something. Extending it to the airport could even be, dare I say, building for the future?
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And I was called crazy for suggesting that a couple years ago
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Originally Posted by officedweller
I think "in Surrey" would fit in the redacted space.
I'm thinking that a new OMC would have a shed at least long enough for a 4--car MKIII train and probably a 5-car MKIII train.
Is the Edmonds shed long enough for a full 4-car MKIII train?
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MKIII have the same length as MKII cars.
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Originally Posted by nname
Also, any land we discussed that would fit the requirements..?
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All of them, really.
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Originally Posted by scottN
In fact I think they could consider a new OMC in Coquitlam at Falcon Drive by expanding the storage facility that is already there.
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It has the same problem as adding one in Langley.
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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
I think they're worried about a breakdown on the Expo that could cut off one end of the Fraser from another.
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Maybe. But there's also not much more space at the existing OMCs to begin with. My guess is that they want to bundle the OMC expansion costs with the Skytrain expansion costs as a tactical move to avoid having to spend the money directly.
Also, the Expo Langley-Surrey Section is never going to be one of the most used parts of the Skytrain network, so they can drip Skytrain Trains into the system without having to worry as much about congestion when adding the trains into the system.
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Originally Posted by cornholio
They can run the track for another 1300 meters to the ALR land next to the small airport. Looks like Belmont farms. They could even put in a future ground level station there with a nice park and ride like is done in other cities that run a track out to a depot location.
This could be the easiest and maybe even cheapest solution. If its ALR land that could be a problem, not sure.
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Originally Posted by waves
The land there currently is zoned and used as Industrial land. If it wasn't used as an OMC, I don't feel as though the City of Langley would be willing to change it. They may not even be keen on it being expropriated for an OMC.
So I actually did briefly look at that site. It would have 7 properties impacted which is 3 more than the other site. The total assessed value is $53.3 million with 90% of that being Land Cost. It is 8.4 ha, but, the site would be long an thin and might not actually work from an OMC design point (it's only 140m wide. In comparison the other site is 200m wide). You might have to get creative and/or limit what the site can do.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
i wonder if Edmonds will ever get a large expansion into the property which is now the storage facility. it seems like the expansions will need more maintenance space, not just storage.
the area is already full of BC Government office. (BC Hydro, BCRTC) so it would seem a natural expansion. although it would probably be moderately costly.
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Well there's about 4.1 ha of space to expand north of the existing Edmonds facility, if you remove the existing ped path. Problem is that it'd get to land closer to the Skytrain Station, and thus the center of Edmonds, becoming even more of a black hole than it already is. Though all the area is zoned as Industrial in the Edmonds T. Center Plan.
https://www.burnaby.ca/Assets/city+servi.../community+development/LUM+-+Edmonds.pdf
https://www.burnaby.ca/Assets/city+servi...community+development/LUM+-+Big+Bend.pdf
Another idea is to expand away from the Town Center, towards Big Bend. There's plenty of land there. Much of it is ALR, however. The site below uses some lower-value Park Reserve (the actual name of which I can't find, I may edit this when I go home with the actual name), and land zoned Medium Density Residential, but has yet to be developed (mostly) and is on the outskirts of Edmonds (minimum 15 minutes walking from Edmonds Station). There are a couple existing SFHs, however.
Future Expansions would continue to move south into the ALR and SFH lots on Marine Dr. The site shown above is about 18.27 ha in size.
Waves, any help with this one?
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Originally Posted by waves
So looking at OMC stuff. <SNIP>
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How did you get the property assessment?
The Scott Road one probably has some problems as it's partially located on the Scott Rd. FTDA, whose borders are KGB, the SRY tracks, and the ridge to the East, and a good 7 minutes walking.
Also, I don't think the size of Edmonds is large enough. As was pointed out below, there's already not enough space in the OMCs (something the size of Edmonds would only be enough for about the current amount stored on the tracks proper), and by the time we actually get to building the OMC, things are going to be
worse, not better.
We need TransLink to go
big so we can avoid going though this process all over again every time we need to expand the Skytrain network.
It'll probably inflate the cost of the Langley Extension, but most of the money is coming from senior governments, and the public has shown to be able to accept the more expensive option that is better on the long-term.
Thus, I would also add Serpentine River Golf, which would buy out the Surrey Golf Course for the OMC. It's
technically ALR, but it's unlikely to be converted to agricultural any time soon and was only really allowed due to a loophole- so
It's 64.55 ha. Which is really overkill.
Therefore, an alternative: The diagram below is 16.3 Hectares. The rest would become agricultural parkland (like most of the Southlands ALR 'exclusion')
I would also advocate a Murrayville Site, on the 'Special Study' area Newland Golf and Country Club (Langley wants to remove this lot from the ALR, an exclusion that has yet to be granted)
The same rules apply to this area as the Serpentine River Golf Site.
Also, Belmont Farms @ Murrayville:
23.57 ha, all ALR land.
The required ~1.2 km Skytrain Extension past Langley Center:
Note that the extension would require demolition of 2 Downtown Langley Retail buildings. However, demolition of those buildings is required if any extension past Langley Center Station is anticipated, so best to do it now.
The Langley Bypass/208 Station at the end of the line would also still be in the Langley T. Center. A station here could probably be justified by its RE potential alone- it's also 15 minutes away from LSS.
There's also the thing that it could divert some bus traffic away from Langley Center, thus increasing travel speed and turnaround time for the 503 and 560.
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Originally Posted by nname
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It's not really optimal, since it makes it impossible to do all-day service when that ever becomes economical, and probably interfere with track maintenance.
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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
Sure. Or TransLink could negate the scenario entirely by NOT building a critical piece of infrastructure on a known floodplain, and so they aren't.
Well, City Hall's not going ahead with the Granville elevated deck mostly because it's too much weight for the centre span. The Port Mann is larger and newer, yes, but I think I'll err on the side of caution until the math comes in proving that a SkyTrain guideway works.
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We don't know that.
I thought they were still going with the pedestrian path?
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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
Pitched that one over in the Fantasy thread. If done right, it could even interchange with the Millennium at Coq Centre and take over the Lafarge Lake spur, while the M runs to PoCo.
Was it built to carry a SkyTrain? These bridges are often pitched as being "BRT/LRT compatible" (and only those two) by the province, then nothing ever comes of it.
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There's the 555, which we can just upgrade to 5-minute peak frequency and convert to using double-articulated (and turn to exclusive bus-only use if congestion gets to that point). I honestly don't see why we would be bothering with a Skytrain Guideway on Port Mann... I guess the stop on 152 St has somewhat of a narrow queuing area, but there's not an enormous amount of space in the area anyways, and the 152 Bus Stop pretty much
has to stick around for traffic from Carvloth (and soon Abbotsford and maybe eventually Pibbs, BCIT, and Chilliwack).
Skytrain isn't much heavier than LRT (the type wasn't specified, so saying anything with certainty is... hard.)
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