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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 12:07 PM
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To elaborate a bit, the new roof that is being proposed for the Big O would be for all intents and purposes permanent, but removable with some degree of advance notice. (Not at the flip of a switch like SkyDome.)

For example, the 2026 FIFA World Cup which I believe requires outdoor stadiums.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 1:34 PM
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I'm going to say that the $550 million US cost (which is what Target Field cost in the late 2000s) will be more of a hangup than the snowfall amount.

Especially since the province has committed to $250m new roof for the Big O already.

Major League Baseball in Montreal faces a big problem with economics. It's the same economics that are killing it in weaker markets in the US. The CAD to USD exchange just adds a 30% handicap.

It's a fun mirage though.
I would agree with this. A competitive MLB team can expect to have a payroll of north of $150 million US. As pointed out, Montreal would need a new stadium on top of the pricy Big O repairs. Compound that with a CAD that is in a long run of being below par with the USD along with Montreal's somewhat half-hearted enthusiasm for baseball (as compared to hockey), and I hate to be a debbie downer but I just don't see it working out. At least not until some of those conditions change.
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I would agree with this. A competitive MLB team can expect to have a payroll of north of $150 million US. As pointed out, Montreal would need a new stadium on top of the pricy Big O repairs. Compound that with a CAD that is in a long run of being below par with the USD along with Montreal's somewhat half-hearted enthusiasm for baseball (as compared to hockey), and I hate to be a debbie downer but I just don't see it working out. At least not until some of those conditions change.
The TV rights would be huge in Montréal. I'm pretty sure they could get close to $50-100M from TSN/RDS. The Blue Jays are on Sportsnet.

The Montréal Canadiens receive more than $30M / year from RDS .
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 2:12 PM
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^ Fair comment... the Expos would probably be a hot TV commodity. But it's still a pretty steep uphill battle to land a team.

To my mind it's a bit like Toronto and their decades long pursuit of a NFL team. Toronto is not a football city by any stretch, but the prestige of having a NFL team is the real reason for the chase. Montreal and baseball are sort of the same thing. And the lack of a rabid fanbase makes the whole deal a bit of a risky proposition, at least relative to large US cities where there are probably many times more football and baseball diehards.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 2:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure they would sell 20,000 season tickets in their first year.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 2:27 PM
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For example, the 2026 FIFA World Cup which I believe requires outdoor stadiums.
You are forgetting there are no rules at FIFA only $$$. In the 1994 World Cup, games were played at the Pontiac Silverdome with turf installed over the artificial turf.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 2:32 PM
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You are forgetting there are no rules at FIFA only $$$. In the 1994 World Cup, games were played at the Pontiac Silverdome with turf installed over the artificial turf.
Yes, that's true. I wonder why the Montreal people insist that they need an open air stadium for the WC? (Natural grass can be rolled into a domed stadium - as it was in Pontiac.)
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I bet with modern controls and sensors the roof would have worked reliably. Are they going with a fixed replacement?
I'm not sure if it was an official recommendation of the Bissonette Report but I think they saw it the way you did. Modern technology could be used to make the original design work.

IIRC, I posted a copy of the report in one of the stadium threads, in French, I believe, as it seemed difficult to find. This is the precursor to the report, Consultation on the Future of the Olympic Park

Facing the test of time: Retractable roof could give 'dreadful' Olympic Stadium a lively future in Montreal, committee says
The stadium needs to be recognized not as a money-draining blight, but as an important piece of Quebec’s cultural heritage, the report says
Graeme Hamilton The National Post December 13, 2012 (my God has it been 7 years since this report, time flies)

The committee that spent the past year studying the future of Montreal’s Olympic Stadium got an earful when it invited people to vent about the east-end landmark.

“Dreadful. Too expensive. Horrible. Useless. The roof,” were typical gut reactions from participants, Lise Bissonnette, head of the committee, recalled Thursday.

But when the same people were asked to imagine what could become of the Olympic Park site, which encompasses the stadium and neighbouring facilities, they did not dream of reducing it to rubble. Instead they saw a lively future, Ms. Bissonnette said. “People were very enthusiastic.”

The committee’s report, published Thursday, says the stadium and the surrounding installations need to be recognized not as a money-draining blight, but as an important piece of Quebec’s cultural heritage.

The committee proposes some significant changes, including a return to the retractable roof that was part of the stadium’s original design. The first roof tore frequently and was eventually replaced by a fixed roof, which also ripped in 1999 under the weight of snow. Since then, the stadium has been closed to events in the winter.

The committee speculates that technological advances since authorities opted for a fixed roof 20 years ago make it worth considering a removable roof in the next call for tenders. In the past the cost of a new roof has been estimated at $300-million.

It proposes an expanded mandate for the Olympic Installations Board, the government agency that manages the site, giving it a role in the promotion of amateur and school athletics.

And it suggests that the site, which is already home to several city-run museums, be made more attractive to tourists by adding restaurants and even a hotel.

“The Olympic Park can and must become a true park, in symbiosis with the neighbourhood that saw it being born,” the report states. It says the “magnificent work” of architect Roger Taillibert, fits the definition of a “cultural heritage landscape,” worthy of protection under Quebec law.

Beneath the lofty rhetoric is a recognition that the site is currently a mess. From a distance, the stadium may be seen as a defining postcard image of Montreal, but up close it is uninviting. The report details the site’s “almost total aridity,” the fading posters that are the only reminder of the 1976 Summer Games and the inadequate signage that makes it “a miracle” tourists are able to find their way around. If they manage to get to the funicular up the stadium’s tower, the only food on offer is from vending machines.

The stadium itself remains vacant most of the year. In 2011 it drew just 252,000 visitors, the equivalent of about four full houses. A neighbouring nature museum attracted more than three times as many people.

The committee was not asked to put a price tag on its proposals, but Ms. Bissonnette said she is optimistic that over a 15-year period the transformation can be made. “Status quo costs the same price,” she said. “The roof has to be replaced whether you do it with a vision or without.”

The report begins by listing the many reports and studies that have gone before, and Ms. Bissonnette realizes many previous proposals for the stadium ended up on the shelf.

But seeing the committee’s recommendations enacted is not her sole motivation, she said. The report is also an exercise in rehabilitating a site that she feels has unjustly become the butt of jokes.

“The idea is also to help change the perception of the Olympic Park, so people stop saying things that are unfair toward it and even toward its creator, Roger Taillibert,” she said. “We find he has been treated very unfairly.”
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Pull-up retractable roof recommended for Big O
CTV Montreal Dec. 13, 2012

A special committee on the future of Montreal’s Olympic Park has opened the door to the installation of a retractable roof on the stadium not unlike that originally designed for the facility.

The suggestion was one of 22 recommendations that resulted from a year-long consultation with 4,000 people.

The roof, as originally designed by French architect Roger Taillebert, was meant to be pulled up and down by metal cables from the angled tower above.

A permanent roof was eventually installed but it collapsed under the weight of snow, leading to the permanent closure of the facility during the winter season due to concerns of another collapse.

Committee Chair Lise Bissonette said that advances in technology might make the original concept more workable.

“We’ve been told by many people that, given the fact that we’re in 2012 and not 1976, that maybe we should look again at the original proposal for a retractable roof and see if it’s possible with the progress of science and technology,” said Bissonnette.

The roof would have to be “consistent with the original design of the building,” according to the report.

The other 21 recommendations included one that would make the facility a centre for amateur sport.

The report also recommends more autonomy for the Olympic Installations Board and initiatives to increase tourism to the site.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 9:45 PM
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Has there been any talk locally in Montreal of looking at another Olympics bid? We've seen Toronto bid a couple times, and the winter games is always talked about. How out of the realm of possibility would it be for Montreal to host again?
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First renderings of a proposed MLB stadium for Nashville. If Montreal cheaps out they'll never get a team.



https://www.bizjournals.com/nashvill...enderings.html
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 10:22 PM
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I dunno both Tampa and Oakland might have to move and MLB wants to expand by 2 teams.
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I dunno both Tampa and Oakland might have to move and MLB wants to expand by 2 teams.
If Oakland goes anywhere it will be Portland or Las Vegas.....
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2019, 11:31 PM
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If Oakland goes anywhere it will be Portland or Las Vegas.....
Follow the Raiders.

Las Vegas is all about the new and shiny, so why not 2 billion-dollar stadiums instead of just one.
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Follow the Raiders.

Las Vegas is all about the new and shiny, so why not 2 billion-dollar stadiums instead of just one.
If Atlanta can do it (almost), why not Vegas?
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Has there been any talk locally in Montreal of looking at another Olympics bid? We've seen Toronto bid a couple times, and the winter games is always talked about. How out of the realm of possibility would it be for Montreal to host again?
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Why would anyone want to host the Olympics? It's like being financially raped by Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey. There is a special place in hell for the Olympic IOC and FIFA. Look at the billions cities waste on facilities only used for 16 days while people in Brazil live in squalor or what it did to the people in Greece or the thousands of people who died building stadiums in Qatar for the world cup.
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There is a special place in hell for the Olympic IOC and FIFA.
Great quote, there will come a day when they will come cap in hand begging for cities to host.
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Great quote, there will come a day when they will come cap in hand begging for cities to host.
Aren't they basically at that point now? They actively solicited Calgary to get involved. They decided LA and Paris would get games and let them decide who went when. Maybe they hope with a long down time in bidding that they will get interest again from many cities by the time the 2032 summer games bids come around in 4 or 5 years.
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Aren't they basically at that point now? They actively solicited Calgary to get involved. They decided LA and Paris would get games and let them decide who went when. Maybe they hope with a long down time in bidding that they will get interest again from many cities by the time the 2032 summer games bids come around in 4 or 5 years.
I think they're hoping that 2024 and 2028 Summer Games turn out really well so that other places will take the bait again.

If they're fiascos, they'll be dead in the water.
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