YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 733

jollyburger · #**14641** Posted **Sep 26, 2019, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

Interesting article on flightglobal.com: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/changi-eyes-nonstops-to-vancouver-and-chicago-461012/

I find it interesting that Changi seems to be lobbying specifically for SIN-YVR.

They said the same thing last year so I wouldn't expect an announcement soon

https://www.anna.aero/2018/07/04/singapo...-route-of-the-week-with-130000-searches/

trofirhen · #**14642** Posted **Sep 26, 2019, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

Interesting article on flightglobal.com: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/changi-eyes-nonstops-to-vancouver-and-chicago-461012/

I find it interesting that Changi seems to be lobbying specifically for SIN-YVR.

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

They said the same thing last year so I wouldn't expect an announcement soon

https://www.anna.aero/2018/07/04/singapo...-route-of-the-week-with-130000-searches/

This is encouraging at any rate. There may not be an announcement "soon," but it shows that YVR is in the upper echelon of preferred destinations for SIN; no need to hang our heads about Seattle. Now, just to snag two or three other biggies on other continents, and we'll be in the 'A' list of international airports. (B+, anyway)

Johnny Aussie · #**14643** Posted **Sep 26, 2019, 7:04 PM**

Cargo stats for Canadian Airports for 2018 released by Stats Canada.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=2310025401

YVR added another 40,000 tonnes to over 321,000 tonnes in 2018.

Over the 2014-2018 period YVR added over 104,000 tonnes.

YVR is the only airport in Canada that discloses monthly cargo stats. 2019 cargo stats for YVR are down 8.4% YTD 2019.

YYZ still by far the largest of course...

YYZ 481,155
YVR 321,328
YUL 119,386
YHM 105,692
YMX 88,668
YYC 86,204
YWG 57,827
YEG 28,475
YHZ 28,118

thenoflyzone · #**14644** Posted **Sep 26, 2019, 10:32 PM**

The overseas international cargo (non US) breakdown for our busiest airports is interesting as well:

YYZ 292,247 (61% of total cargo)
YVR 164,256 (51% of total cargo)
YUL 92,645 (78% of total cargo)
YYC 20,054 (23% of total cargo)

YHM, YMX and YWG breakdowns are not available, but intl non US cargo is historically less than 2% of their respective cargo numbers.

thenoflyzone · #**14645** Posted **Oct 1, 2019, 11:31 PM**

YVR August 2019

Total: 2,681,698 -1.2%

Domestic 1,282,643 -1.2%
Transborder 651,410 +0.2%
Asia Pac 435,325 -2.5%
Misc 51,344 -8.7%
Europe 260,976 -1.1%

Total international incl. transborder 1,399,055 -1.2%

YTD total: 17,991,557 +1.5%

trofirhen · #**14646** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 12:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR August 2019

Total: 2,681,698 -1.2%

Domestic 1,282,643 -1.2%
Transborder 651,410 +0.2%
Asia Pac 435,325 -2.5%
Misc 51,344 -8.7%
Europe 260,976 -1.1%

Total international incl. transborder 1,399,055 -1.2%

YTD total: 17,991,557 +1.5%

Yikes!! This cannot be due mainly to the 738Max groundings. It must be due to to the political turmoil in Asia, and the fact that the German economy is retracting.
(That has a huge ripple effect on all of Europe)

thenoflyzone · #**14647** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 1:39 AM**

Don’t know if this was mentioned, but Interjet will cancel YVR-CUN at the end of this month, among other routes. Granted, Interjet as a whole won’t last much longer to begin with.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1164796153415659520

trofirhen · #**14648** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Don’t know if this was mentioned, but Interjet will cancel YVR-CUN at the end of this month, among other routes. Granted, Interjet doesn’t have long left to begin with.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1164796153415659520

For a while now, Interjet has been listed as having financial problems, and probably nearing the end of its corporate existence, so this isn't all that much of a surprise.
I wonder if any other Mexican airlines (notably Volaris) could fill that gap, and/or introcuce new destinations, in particular Guadalajara, which is now served from Seattle and Portland both.

thenoflyzone · #**14649** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 11:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

For a while now, Interjet has been listed as having financial problems, and probably nearing the end of ots corporate existence, so this isn't all that much of a surprise.
I wonder if any other Mexican airlines (notably Volaris) could fill that gap, and/or introcuce new destinations, in particular Guadalajara, which is now served from Seattle and Portland both.

You tell me.

What are the chances of a Mexican ULCC flying to one of the most expensive countries in the world and offer service to GDL out of all places?

Slim to none. Same reason why you dont see Southwest or Spirit flying to Canada. Cost structure is simply too high.

trofirhen · #**14650** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 12:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

You tell me.

What are the chances of a Mexican ULCC flying to one of the most expensive countries in the world and offer service to GDL out of all places?

Slim to none. Same reason why you dont see Southwest or Spirit flying to Canada. Cost structure is simply too high.

Excuse me. I did not know that Volaris was an ULCC (if that is what you were saying your post). I just thought that, given that they fly to SEA, they might fly YVR also.
I know SEA is not as expensive as Vancouver, but it is still a wealthy and fairly expensive city nonetheless - with people moving out of Seattle to elsewhere in Puget Sound region.
So I assumed that there might be a market for GDL - YVR, but as you point out, I guess there isn't.

Klazu · #**14651** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR August 2019

Total: 2,681,698 -1.2%

Domestic 1,282,643 -1.2%
Transborder 651,410 +0.2%
Asia Pac 435,325 -2.5%
Misc 51,344 -8.7%
Europe 260,976 -1.1%

Total international incl. transborder 1,399,055 -1.2%

YTD total: 17,991,557 +1.5%

Oh man, you must have a party over there. The sky is falling on YVR!

thenoflyzone · #**14652** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 2:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh man, you must have a party over there. The sky is falling on YVR!

Why? Because of the red?

I made no comment. It’s only a 1% drop. Not the end of the world. Considering what is going on in HKG and China, i’d say it’s not too bad. Europe and Misc are disappointing though. I think we can agree on that.

If anything, I fear the situation in China could affect non stops to that area from secondary Canadian airports, such as YUL’s PEK and PVG flights. AC could very well end up consolidating China flights back at YVR, in order to improve yields.

nname · #**14653** Posted **Oct 2, 2019, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yikes!! This cannot be due mainly to the 738Max groundings. It must be due to to the political turmoil in Asia, and the fact that the German economy is retracting.
(That has a huge ripple effect on all of Europe)

My response from last month are still true:

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Originally Posted by nname

Big cut in domestic and transborder capacity due to MAX grounding.
Political situation in Asia, which probably affect YVR more than other Canadian airport.
WS pulled out of MEX this summer.
YYC competes with YVR for European connecting traffic.

AFAIK, the number for YYZ is pretty weak too. YUL have some gain, but it's nothing compared to the huge increase observed last year and in the early part of this year.

The direct YVR-Europe flight just can't complete with the $500-700 round-trip that WS offered via YYC last summer.

But still...

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Originally Posted by nname

Same here, I was expecting a decrease of about 2-3%...

Now it's more in line with my expectation and matches the actual seat change.

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

If anything, I fear the situation in China could affect non stops to that area from secondary Canadian airports, such as YUL’s PEK and PVG flights. AC could very well end up consolidating China flights back at YVR, in order to improve yields.

I don't see YUL flight to PEK and PVG go away. I always though YUL-HKG was a high possibility. In fact, I've seen report that AC complained they cannot get slot at HKG for additional service (which implies the intention for starting YUL or second daily YVR/YYZ). But now, there's no chance.

AC had further cut YVR-HKG capacity. Over the off-season, now it goes down to as little as 4x weekly...

trofirhen · #**14654** Posted **Oct 3, 2019, 1:04 AM**

Everything you stated makes total sense. At least, when they get the MAX up and running again, that'll help transborder. And as I understand WS to FRA and CDG are summer seasonal.
Is that correct? YVR - CDG in the off season is only 3x / wk on AF, but at least it's still there.

Johnny Aussie · #**14655** Posted **Oct 3, 2019, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

My response from last month are still true:

The direct YVR-Europe flight just can't complete with the $500-700 round-trip that WS offered via YYC last summer.

But still...

Now it's more in line with my expectation and matches the actual seat change.

Wow a whole page of blocked posts... must have been enlightening.

If those fares were as low as you mentioned then the yields on the new YYC-Europe flights must be shite. That was expected tbh.. to fill those planes a huge reliance would be on connecting traffic. Looks like they did a good job filling them but at what cost?

Note though "scheduled" Europe was up 1.4%. The decline was in "charter" Europe... the budget conscious traveller would be snapping up those $500-$700 return flights who cares if there is a connection. Even with Europe down only 1.1% is not huge.
Asia PAC would have to be mainly due to HKG. YVR-HKG is YVR's largest Asian route. Makes sense for a decrease but really only 2.5% based on that is a blip.

Johnny Aussie · #**14656** Posted **Oct 4, 2019, 1:45 AM**

Looks like Omni is going to be helping out with the Max grounding even more.

Omni 762 will take over the daily AC YVR-PHX this winter doing a scissor with HNL or OGG.

Why sit on the ground in YVR all day. This perhaps opens up another potential daily flight if they utilise the downtime of the other OGG/HNL flight.

nname · #**14657** Posted **Oct 4, 2019, 8:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like Omni is going to be helping out with the Max grounding even more.

Omni 762 will take over the daily AC YVR-PHX this winter doing a scissor with HNL or OGG.

Why sit on the ground in YVR all day. This perhaps opens up another potential daily flight if they utilise the downtime of the other OGG/HNL flight.

Just thinking of posting this.

This seems to be big capacity boost for YVR-PHX, which will remain daily except for 6 weeks in Jan/Feb where the route will run 5 or 6x weekly.

Omni schedule now run until Apr 19, 2020.

YYCguys · #**14658** Posted **Oct 4, 2019, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

And as I understand WS to FRA and CDG are summer seasonal.

What??? Wow!!! When did WS announce FRA service? From YVR, YYZ or YYC?

Johnny Aussie · #**14659** Posted **Oct 4, 2019, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Just thinking of posting this.

This seems to be big capacity boost for YVR-PHX, which will remain daily except for 6 weeks in Jan/Feb where the route will run 5 or 6x weekly.

Omni schedule now run until Apr 19, 2020.

I'm curious if any other Transborder route moves to the Omni 762. Good use of equipment otherwise it sits on the ground all day.

nname · #**14660** Posted **Oct 4, 2019, 11:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I'm curious if any other Transborder route moves to the Omni 762. Good use of equipment otherwise it sits on the ground all day.

No, I did a full scan of AC2400 to 2499 for one week each month between Jan and Apr last night, only OGG, HNL, PHX showed up.