YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 730

connect2source · #**14581** Posted **Sep 1, 2019, 3:01 PM**

More on the array of new and much needed food offerings coming to YVR. I'm really looking forward to this as the current selection is pretty terrible. Joe and the Juice is one of my favs in Europe.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/yvr-airport-new-food-concepts

SpongeG · #**14582** Posted **Sep 2, 2019, 5:55 AM**

a few of these are post-security in domestic, I wonder where, the C gates are pretty full, one of the old stores is being changed to something but is small. The B gates have an empty space next to Carls Jr in a food court style space.

Speaking of the different gates, they close off the security to WestJet - B gates side fairly early in the evening. I came out there the other night and there were people wandering around trying to figure out how to get in. They had no signage directing people to use the security at the C gates.

Also the whote spot is all hoarded up to make room for Steamworks or whatever it is that is replacing it. I wonder why there is no Triple O's post security, that would be awesome. Veras is awful and Carls is well Carls.

thenoflyzone · #**14583** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 12:47 AM**

July 2019 stats are out.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/07-july/july-traffic-update.pdf?la=en

Domestic -0.3%
Transborder +0.9%
Asia Pac -0.1%
Europe -1.5%
Misc -14.3%

Total intl incl. transborder -0.4%
Total all sectors -0.4%

Considering this is a peak summer month, those are pretty weak results.

YTD total: +2.0%

trofirhen · #**14584** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 3:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

July 2019 stats are out.

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/07-july/july-traffic-update.pdf?la=en

Domestic -0.3%
Transborder +0.9%
Asia Pac -0.1%
Europe -1.5%
Misc -14.3%

Total intl incl. transborder -0.4%
Total all sectors -0.4%

Considering this is a peak summer month, those are pretty weak results.

YTD total: +2.0%

I cannot help but wonder what is causing this drop - or at least very poor showing. Is it in part due to the 738 groundings? If not, to poor economic conditions?
Perhaps more knowledgeable members would be able to shed some light on this. There must be reason. What is it? Anybody?

Vagabond · #**14585** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 5:12 AM**

Possibly of relevance to YVR, Pacific Coastal Airlines/WestJet Link has been approved to offer scheduled international service (USA).

Johnny Aussie · #**14586** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 6:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vagabond

Possibly of relevance to YVR, Pacific Coastal Airlines/WestJet Link has been approved to offer scheduled international service (USA).

Possible relevance but their largest aircraft (Saab 340s) would have minimal use other than SEA and PDX. From YYC, same issue, very few markets that would be viable on that aircraft.

Since they now fly YYC-PDX on Encore, perhaps they will run some YVR-PDX flights.

DL has SEA covered well from YVR and YYC.

nname · #**14587** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 9:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I cannot help but wonder what is causing this drop - or at least very poor showing. Is it in part due to the 738 groundings? If not, to poor economic conditions?
Perhaps more knowledgeable members would be able to shed some light on this. There must be reason. What is it? Anybody?

Big cut in domestic and transborder capacity due to MAX grounding.
Political situation in Asia, which probably affect YVR more than other Canadian airport.
WS pulled out of MEX this summer.
YYC competes with YVR for European connecting traffic.

AFAIK, the number for YYZ is pretty weak too. YUL have some gain, but it's nothing compared to the huge increase observed last year and in the early part of this year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Possibly of relevance to YVR, Pacific Coastal Airlines/WestJet Link has been approved to offer scheduled international service (USA).

I don't think WS link would operate US route out of YVR though... AFAIK there's no plane based here with the WS livery. It would probably be some routes like YYC-GEG...

SpongeG · #**14588** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 10:47 AM**

The unrest in Hong Kong is probably a big factor. British Airways pilots are now on strike and that could affect flights soon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...to-cancel-flights-monday-on-pilot-strike

Hourglass · #**14589** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Big cut in domestic and transborder capacity due to MAX grounding.
Political situation in Asia, which probably affect YVR more than other Canadian airport.
WS pulled out of MEX this summer.
YYC competes with YVR for European connecting traffic.

AFAIK, the number for YYZ is pretty weak too. YUL have some gain, but it's nothing compared to the huge increase observed last year and in the early part of this year.

All of the above + HK protests + the trade war between the US and China affecting the global (and Chinese) economy, the diplomatic tensions between Canada and China from the Huawei case hitting visitor numbers, and the economy slowing in South Korea due to weaker exports and the spat with Japan (and also the decline in tourists from China).

What a dog’s breakfast. In some ways, I’m surprised the decline isn’t more pronounced.

Bogofomo · #**14590** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 4:22 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Possibly of relevance to YVR, Pacific Coastal Airlines/WestJet Link has been approved to offer scheduled international service (USA).

Could potentially mean new service: GEG, BOI, PAE are all possibilities.

nname · #**14591** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hourglass

What a dog’s breakfast. In some ways, I’m surprised the decline isn’t more pronounced.

Same here, I was expecting a decrease of about 2-3%...

Vagabond · #**14592** Posted **Sep 7, 2019, 11:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Same here, I was expecting a decrease of about 2-3%...

The 2019 drop in tourists from China & NE Asia appears to be somewhat mitigated by a sharp increase in arrivals from India (and SE Asia, to a lesser extent). BC arrivals by Indian citizens were up 66% in May (YoY) and 20% in June (the July #s haven't bee released yet). Many of these Indian tourists would have flown in on NE Asian airlines, likely making up for smaller crowds from those markets.

Anecdotally, we noticed this trend on a road trip to the Rockies this summer. In Banff & Yoho NPs, in particular, South Asian tourists were far more prominent than East Asian tourists. Considering this coincides with a period of relative economic instability in India (and a rupee which hasn't appreciated much in recent years), I don't think this can be written off as attributable to any single issue. The only thing which does come to mind would be passengers re-routed to/from other Canadian airports, given AC's non-stop flights to India (from YYZ) were largely cancelled for part of 2019.

As a broader trend, it will be really interesting to see if this growth can be sustained over the long term. A BC tourism market where India annually supplies 2/3 as many tourists as China will have profound implications for the industry.

Johnny Aussie · #**14593** Posted **Sep 8, 2019, 1:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Same here, I was expecting a decrease of about 2-3%...

Correct as intl capacity is down around that range. Seems to be a good result of better LF perhaps. Maintaining the meteoric rise over the last decade is a good sign even with slight downturn and it’s a fact the MAX has had an impact.

A few more routes from Australia to China also being dropped.

Johnny Aussie · #**14594** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 2:56 AM**

From Westjet’s blog. Entry published 9 Sep.

Due to ongoing MAX groundings, Westjet has finally pulled max flying from November and December.

· Vancouver – Honolulu; Added 24 flight segments in December to accommodate Alberta flight cancellations.
· Vancouver – Maui; added 24 flight segments in December to accommodate Alberta flight cancellations.

They have added a daily flight at 1715 split 4x week to HNL and 3x week to OGG.

Total of 7 daily to Hawaii on Westjet in December.

trofirhen · #**14595** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vagabond

The 2019 drop in tourists from China & NE Asia appears to be somewhat mitigated by a sharp increase in arrivals from India (and SE Asia, to a lesser extent). BC arrivals by Indian citizens were up 66% in May (YoY) and 20% in June (the July #s haven't bee released yet). Many of these Indian tourists would have flown in on NE Asian airlines, likely making up for smaller crowds from those markets. / ................................
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As a broader trend, it will be really interesting to see if this growth can be sustained over the long term. A BC tourism market where India annually supplies 2/3 as many tourists as China will have profound implications for the industry.

I wonder if this might validate a flight YVR-BOM ... even if only seasonal? It might develop into year round. Mumbai is, after all, the largest and wealthiest city in India.

nname · #**14596** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I wonder if this might validate a flight YVR-BOM ... even if only seasonal? It might develop into year round. Mumbai is, after all, the largest and wealthiest city in India.

TBH, I think we would see YVR-DEL goes to 77W and YYZ-BOM goes back to year-round before we'll see YVR-BOM...

SpongeG · #**14597** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 9:45 PM**

did the BA flight to YVR get cancelled?

thenoflyzone · #**14598** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

did the BA flight to YVR get cancelled?

BA85 is cancelled today and tomorrow due to strike action at BA. Same for the daily flights to YYC/YUL and all BA flights to YYZ.

SpongeG · #**14599** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 10:10 PM**

ok, none of the articles I read really said what flights were affected.

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from facebook:

Vancouver International Airport
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To prepare for the installation of a pedestrian bridge, there are some changes taking place in the International Arrivals area. Keep an eye out for changes at the crosswalk and passenger pick up area. Please follow signage and directions from Ground Transportation staff. Thank you for your patience.

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The crosswalk at International Arrivals on level 2 will be relocated to the west of the taxi pick up area. This crosswalk is expected to be in place from September 10th until the end of December. To prepare for this, there will be paving, line painting and signage installation taking place overnight (after midnight) from September 4th to 10th. The new crosswalk will be staffed during peak times.
The canopy east of the passenger pick up area will be removed on September 9th.The passenger pick up area will be reduced in size with a partial sidewalk closure and minor traffic pattern changes—this will be in effect until the end of December.

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SFUVancouver · #**14600** Posted **Sep 9, 2019, 10:51 PM**

Airliners.net has a thread about Cathay discontinuing JFK-YVR fifth freedom flight in the new year.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430987

The source is an article from The Points Guy: https://thepointsguy.com/news/cathay-pacific-will-end-its-new-york-vancouver-flights-next-spring/