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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 5:45 PM
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Leave it natural, the parks are so much better when you can forget you're in the city (except right beside downtown, there should maybe be some promenades there). I also love where there is singletrack along the river for hiking and biking, Calgary has a ton of this and I would expect the same in Edmonton.
How are people supposed to enjoy the river if it's only accessible by boat? And a path near a river isn't the same as being next to it. Just seems bizarre to me.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 5:55 PM
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As is seen with Calgary's river system, it's not too difficult to strike a good balance between naturalized areas and river access areas. Ample amounts of both.




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In fairness to the Vancouver Seawall, and with the greatest of respect for the phenomenal new section of Calgary's Riverwalk(?), Vancouver's Seawall it is literally a seawall and first and foremost must protect the shoreline from tides, king tides, and storm surges.

With that said, limited access to the water is a valid and widely acknowledged complaint about the legacy sections of the seawall. The original Seawall around Stanley park is more than a century old and still includes several beaches and points of access to the water. The beginning of the modern Seawall was built out during the Concord Pacific- (False Creek North) and Marathon/ASPAC- (Coal Harbour) urban redevelopment megaprojects and creating the amenity was honestly the priority, not making it the very best it could be, especially since those were built as community amenity contributions by the developers at no capital cost to the City.

There is still some direct waterfront access in David Lam Park [example) but those darn King Tides and their extra meter of tide are a real thing [example1, example 2]. They don't just affect False Creek, either: King Tide at Jerico Beach.

The new Seawall in the Olympic Village is totally different with respect to water access. It's a far more naturalized shoreline and direct water access in the more hard-scaped areas. It also includes a new 1 acre man-made island to compensate 2:1 for the loss of red-listed shoreline in the village core area. The City spent about $100M on Seawall landscaping in the Olympic Village, FWIW.
Just as a response to the "section" terminology, there's about 4 kilometers worth of new Riverwalk built in the last 8 years that is all basically of the quality in the pic posted above, or even higher in the case of the Delta Garden. There's also about 500 meters about to begin construction, and a further 3ish kilometers proposed. It's pretty much just an entire revamp of the inner city waterfront, not just a new section. I know you didn't mean anything by it, I just thought I'd mention it


But you are right I totally forgot about the Olympic Village additions, that little man made island was one of my favourite places to chill back when I lived there. When I was critiquing the sea wall I was really only thinking about the area between English Bay and Coal Harbour. You are right that it's of course a protective barrier against the tides, but I still think more could be fairly easily achieved to encourage water interaction, and even just general "sit and enjoy" types of spaces rather than it just being a through-way for the vast majority of its length.
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I agree as a whole. Achieving this balance has worked against the Riverwalk. It's too landscaped to be a naturalized refuge and there's not enough engaging activities or spaces that can host activities for a Riverfront in the heart of the downtown. All focus was on landscape design over making it an attractive place for people to congregate and socialize. I see this with many of Toronto's new spaces as well. It's the renos that rejuvenate older spaces that are much more successful.

Nothing compares to the Lower Don River Valley. The biggest waste of space in possibly all of North America. Post Hazel policies on flood plains in no excuse to let it wallow the way it is.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 6:16 PM
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How are people supposed to enjoy the river if it's only accessible by boat? And a path near a river isn't the same as being next to it. Just seems bizarre to me.
IF Edmonton had the river downtown, then I would see your point, but the river valley is a massive park system separated from downtown. Paving a pathway isn't a bad idea, I'm just not sure there is the right amount of people there to justify it.
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I agree as a whole. Achieving this balance has worked against the Riverwalk. It's too landscaped to be a naturalized refuge and there's not enough engaging activities or spaces that can host activities for a Riverfront in the heart of the downtown. All focus was on landscape design over making it an attractive place for people to congregate and socialize.
You're mostly right on that. Though East Village Plaza on the Riverwalk is verrry well used as a gathering and socializing space. They even hosted a small temporary Opera house tent thing which held 500 people for a couple summers, before M2 began construction. So far the Delta Garden and area seems to be a huge hit, and I always see people chilling there enjoying the views of the city, the river, and the Peace Bridge. However, both do have considerable limitations, similar to what you mentioned.

With Eau Claire Plaza set to be redeveloped over the next couple years, I'm reeeallly hoping it will be done right. The current plaza is just a windswept fuckhole of shitty concrete and shitty bricks. The city has an amazing opportunity to make it an awesome 201st century urban space.
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^^ One of the best shots i've seen of Montreal. Just Beautiful.
     
     
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Such a linear skyline... need to double that for girth/density.
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The Ottawa Skyline from Clardige Icon, with the Red Arrows flying above the Ottawa River.

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that skyline needs serious help. I love Ottawa but you'd never know there was a big city, let alone a national capital driving into the downtown core. I seriously hope the lebreton flats area gets developed and with some much needed height.
     
     
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I agree as a whole. Achieving this balance has worked against the Riverwalk. It's too landscaped to be a naturalized refuge and there's not enough engaging activities or spaces that can host activities for a Riverfront in the heart of the downtown. All focus was on landscape design over making it an attractive place for people to congregate and socialize. I see this with many of Toronto's new spaces as well. It's the renos that rejuvenate older spaces that are much more successful.

Nothing compares to the Lower Don River Valley. The biggest waste of space in possibly all of North America. Post Hazel policies on flood plains in no excuse to let it wallow the way it is.
You have clearly never used the Riverwalk. It is one of our nicest amenities and the busiest path system in the city. The East Village, Riverwalk and St. Patrick's island are the spot I take family visiting from out of town. It's lively and exciting and feels like nothing else in Calgary.
     
     
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Speaking of the beauty of the RiverWalk... here's a few more homegrown skyline pics!


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Every time I see a small section of a city that isn't immediately recognizable to me, but I think "damn, that looks good," I know that I'm looking at Montreal.

Though on the rare occasion that it's not Montreal it turns out to be Halifax. Those are the only two where the urban goodness hits me from out of left field, given that I know Toronto and Hamilton too well to be surprised by any part of them, and Quebec City is too distinctive to be a mystery.

(The only other places in the country with pockets of really good urbanity, Vancouver and Winnipeg, have been mined clean for photos already.)
     
     
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