Calgary International Airport II

[Cage]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

767 is fully scheduled in the winter (unless they make additional changes). There is some slack in the 789 schedule, so maybe 3x weekly OGG, and 1x weekly HNL?

They were smart to not market/announce the YEG-HNL route as it will probably be cut.

Its possible WS might move the Hawaii wide body work to a wet lease outsourced operation, use the spare 767 and 789 flying for domestic high capacity routes like YYZ to YYC & YVR.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS appears to also be slowly removing the Max from its schedule in November/December.

MBJ has been swapped to a 73W. NAS/BZE still show 7M8.

Mostly curious what they intend to do with Alberta-Hawaii as all of it other than a few frequencies to OGG are still scheduled on the Max.

They may want to get on that. Predictions are the earliest the MAX could be flying again is by the “end of the year.” That decision though isn’t even going to be made until October at the earliest. I won’t be holding my breath. There is no way MAX’s will be flying in November and December. AC and WG aren’t waiting to find out... all MAX flying through April is pulled.

Perhaps they can wet lease Omni’s 767 that AC is using now for YVR-HNL/OGG. AC is going to be using their own mainline 763s for YVR-HNL/OGG and YYC-OGG this winter while rouge takes over YVR-KOA.

They’d better get started looking into early 2020 flying as well!

[nname]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

In other news, AC is adding A220 service on YUL-YYC from Feb 1, up to 2x daily.

I see first flight on Jan 27.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Cage

One question, what the conversion process for 737NG sims to convert into max8 sims. Is it just the computer components or are the new systems on the max?

Forget software. Hardware isn't even identical.

PFD's (primary flight displays) are different, to start.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=i...NuR8L8z7SgVLRdlXW18&ust=1566111384682675

[casper]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Forget software. Hardware isn't even identical.

PFD's (primary flight displays) are different, to start.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=i...NuR8L8z7SgVLRdlXW18&ust=1566111384682675

Not certain how it works today of if aviation is different. However back in the 90s I was with one of CAE customers (in the Nuclear industry) and they would basically put get the same control computer you find in the real world into the simulator driving the same displays. CAE would then connect it to its physics model. They likely continue to do the same thing today.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Forget software. Hardware isn't even identical.

PFD's (primary flight displays) are different, to start.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=i...NuR8L8z7SgVLRdlXW18&ust=1566111384682675

Thanks, so this isn't as easy as connect a new computer to the existing hardware and we are cooking with gas.

This could get interesting, AC would be okay with a Garneau Order in Council demanding all pilots go through enhanced sim training on MCAS and recovery procedures. The American could simply not fly the max into Canada. But this is major problems for WestJet who don't have ready access to a sim and no ability to convert and existing sim into max.

That said, Gerry Schwartz owns/controls Onex. Gerry has been the bagman for Liberals since Trudeau Sr. I could see the TC having some pressure applied from PMO/PCO/Boys-in-Short-Pants to have the sim requirement removed in order to "save jobs".

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Cage

That said, Gerry Schwartz owns/controls Onex. Gerry has been the bagman for Liberals since Trudeau Sr. I could see the TC having some pressure applied from PMO/PCO/Boys-in-Short-Pants to have the sim requirement removed in order to "save jobs".

Hmm. I don’t know about that.

This isn’t so much about “saving jobs” as it is about “saving lives”. Garneau is on record saying CBT’s aren’t enough and that he wants sim time for pilots. Transport Canada still doesn’t have an official position on this and is waiting for the FAA guidelines once the plane regains certification.

Either way, I can bet you top dollar AC will make use of their simulators to train their pilots, so if WS doesn't do so, it will look bad.

If TC does mandate sim time, WS will have no choice but to knock at AC’s door to use the sim, or send their pilots to Miami, Gatwick or other Max sim locations to get training.

We shall soon see what happens.

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like Westjet has just updated winter flying again and sun flights cut from 74 last winter to 66 this winter. CUN, PVR and BZE showing cuts. VRA is up one and there’s the new weekly PUJ. Could this be MAX related? Since they’re increasing YVR sun flying this winter it doesn’t seem to be. AC was cut from 10 to 7 but this is clearly MAX related.

Also shows just how dominant WS has become 66 weekly flights to 7.

Note this is non-USA sun flying.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like Westjet has just updated winter flying again and sun flights cut from 74 last winter to 66 this winter. CUN, PVR and BZE showing cuts. VRA is up one and there’s the new weekly PUJ. Could this be MAX related? Since they’re increasing YVR sun flying this winter it doesn’t seem to be. AC was cut from 10 to 7 but this is clearly MAX related.

Also shows just how dominant WS has become 66 weekly flights to 7.

Note this is non-USA sun flying.

Is this a loss of flights or up gauging the flights to 767’s and 787’s?

[casper]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Hmm. I don’t know about that.

This isn’t so much about “saving jobs” as it is about “saving lives”. Garneau is on record saying CBT’s aren’t enough and that he wants sim time for pilots. Transport Canada still doesn’t have an official position on this and is waiting for the FAA guidelines once the plane regains certification.

Either way, I can bet you top dollar AC will make use of their simulators to train their pilots, so if WS doesn't do so, it will look bad.

If TC does mandate sim time, WS will have no choice but to knock at AC’s door to use the sim, or send their pilots to Miami, Gatwick or other Max sim locations to get training.

We shall soon see what happens.

I would expect this to be a compensation issue. Perhaps Boeing is going to have to buy WS a new simulator. The issues is how long will it take for the simulator to be up and running.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by msmariner

Is this a loss of flights or up gauging the flights to 767’s and 787’s?

Some of CUN’s flights will be on 763s frequencies cut from 20 to 14.
PVR’s still all on 737s so just a frequency cut.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looks like Westjet has just updated winter flying again and sun flights cut from 74 last winter to 66 this winter. CUN, PVR and BZE showing cuts. VRA is up one and there’s the new weekly PUJ. Could this be MAX related? Since they’re increasing YVR sun flying this winter it doesn’t seem to be. AC was cut from 10 to 7 but this is clearly MAX related.

Also shows just how dominant WS has become 66 weekly flights to 7.

Note this is non-USA sun flying.

These changes were all part of its winter schedule announcement a few weeks ago. At least the BZE / LIR / CUN / PVR reductions.

WS does needs to get on with its MAX schedule adjustments, as they are slowly running out of time. Currently only removed until November 4.

CUN was probably reduced due to the 763 operating one daily flight.

[outoftheice]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Hmm. I don’t know about that.

This isn’t so much about “saving jobs” as it is about “saving lives”. Garneau is on record saying CBT’s aren’t enough and that he wants sim time for pilots. Transport Canada still doesn’t have an official position on this and is waiting for the FAA guidelines once the plane regains certification.

Either way, I can bet you top dollar AC will make use of their simulators to train their pilots, so if WS doesn't do so, it will look bad.

If TC does mandate sim time, WS will have no choice but to knock at AC’s door to use the sim, or send their pilots to Miami, Gatwick or other Max sim locations to get training.

We shall soon see what happens.

CAE is installing a new 737 Max simulator in Toronto. It should be operational by December. Sunwing has preferred client status with the simulator after the first 18 months of operation. Those first 18 months should be enough time for CAE to make a small fortune running Sunwing and Westjet pilots through whatever training is mandated by TC along with a fair share of pilots from global carriers. AC has been sending their Max pilots to simulator once a month since the grounding happened so they will be well positioned to get crews back to work once the grounding ends.

[The Chemist]

Who wants to bet that after the whole MAX debacle and the compensation that Boeing will surely have to pay to all of its customers that they won't be out much less money than if they'd just built a clean sheet narrowbody design as they should have? Can't say I'd be at all unhappy to see Boeing knocked down a few pegs, especially after their ridiculous behaviour in the C-Series trade fight - too bad so many people had to die because of their hubris.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by The Chemist

Who wants to bet that after the whole MAX debacle and the compensation that Boeing will surely have to pay to all of its customers that they won't be out much less money than if they'd just built a clean sheet narrowbody design as they should have?

A big part of the decision to go with a new engine option program was to deliver lower carbon solution into the market faster than a clean sheet design. I anticipate that a long term effect of max debacle will be a return to clean sheet design every 15-20 years rather than 10 year overhaul.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by Cage

A big part of the decision to go with a new engine option program was to deliver lower carbon solution into the market faster than a clean sheet design. I anticipate that a long term effect of max debacle will be a return to clean sheet design every 15-20 years rather than 10 year overhaul.

The Boeing 737 was out of sync with engine development cycle, which Airbus exploited with the A320neo. Thus, the rapid launch of the MAX as a response.

I suspect the debacle of the 787 launch diverted much needed resources away from a 737 replacement and made Boeing cautious about such investments.

Boeing just can't seem to get it right in the 2000s - it either pushes the edge too far and gets burnt (the 787) or not enough and it gets burnt (the MAX). I'm not sure if this is just a problem with management or what the deal is.

[YYCspotter]

https://www.yyc.com/Portals/0/MEDIA/Media-PassengerStats/br_paxtotal.pdf?ver=2018-07-25-091234-363

July 2019
Overall: +2.2%
Domestic: -1.2%
Transborder: +9.7%
International: +17.9%

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

https://www.yyc.com/Portals/0/MEDIA/Media-PassengerStats/br_paxtotal.pdf?ver=2018-07-25-091234-363

July 2019
Overall: +2.2%
Domestic: -1.2%
Transborder: +9.7%
International: +17.9%

Nice to see transborder and international with such big jumps, but the first negative month year over year for domestic in over two years. Of course, July 2018 was horrible for transborder and international, so this year's July numbers for those look better than they should be.

[YYCspotter]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Nice to see transborder and international with such big jumps, but the first negative month year over year for domestic in over two years. Of course, July 2018 was horrible for transborder and international, so this year's July numbers for those look better than they should be.

International and transborder were up a combined 54,000 passengers this July compared to last. Still pretty impressive, that's the largest monthly increase in actual numbers I can remember.

On the domestic side, I wouldn't be surprised that the MAX grounding has had some effect, especially considering July is at the peak of the summer schedule for most airlines. Not enough aircraft to cover everything they want to do.

[YYCFlier]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

On the domestic side, I wouldn't be surprised that the MAX grounding has had some effect, especially considering July is at the peak of the summer schedule for most airlines. Not enough aircraft to cover everything they want to do.

This. Air Canada and WestJet are both cutting back routes as their capacities are 7-8% less than they'd like. Given YYC is WestJet's biggest hub, 13 frames sitting on the ground is going to hurt. Air Canada has the luxury of rouge frames and new A223 frames coming on-line whereas WestJet's narrowbody capacity increases are all MAX.