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Old Posted Aug 16, 2019, 10:34 PM
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The first pic Chad posted is all residential towers in the East Village. The second pic shows the west end which is also mostly residential. The last one shows Telus Sky which is half office half apartments. Calgary's core is getting a lot more populated. The majority of the highrises under construction here are condos or rentals, not offices.
I think what he means is more of a built up area outside of the Beltline/Downtown area. Vancouver's downtown peninsula for example is around the same size area wise as downtown Calgary/Beltline, but the surrounding neighbourhoods outside of the downtown peninsula equal something like 4 or 5 Beltlines.

For Calgary to follow the same path, there needs to be a major change in land use policy over a very large area. It makes sense though, as you would have a very high percentage of people walking, cycling, taking transit to work, especially in Calgary where there are a huge amount of office jobs in the core. Not to mention more vibrant street life.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2019, 11:18 PM
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That is true about the land use policy, but the amount of NIMBYism here is literally fucking shocking. Every single development over 3 storeys outside of the Downtown/Beltline/Mission/Kensington/Bridgeland inner-inner city area gets appealed, and our city government has no balls to tell them to shut up and get used to living in a major city. It's infuriating at times.



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What's impresses me about Calgary's skyline is not just how large it is relative to it's overall population...but also how large it is considering how much of the population is suburban. How much more impressive would it look if urban living became more favourable there like in the other larger cities? It would be shooting way over it's weight then.
But in order to have an adequate comparison it has to be proportional. Calgary's 4 km2 core (that's the five downtown neighbourhoods plus the Beltline) is nearing 50 000 people (might be past it as of the upcoming municipal census results), with the Beltline alone being over 25 000. One can't compare a city of 1.5 million to a city of 2.5 million, 4 million, or 7 million in Canada. The big three can be reasonably compared to each other due to the fact that they've been big and important cities for virtually their whole histories, with enormous working-class populations leading to higher core densities from the get-go. Calgary's unfortunately about as white collar as it comes, so we didn't get much of the dense old stock that the big three and Ottawa got, and most of what we did get was razed, and whatever survived is now like frickin law offices or some shit.

Anywho, Calgary can only be reasonably compared to Edmonton, Ottawa, and maybe Winnipeg for the purposes of core population density in the Canadian context. In that comparison though, our core population blows those 3 out of the water, so going by a North American sense, we're fairly close to Portland in central population density (~11000/km2). If we're going by entire inner city, Ottawa comes pretty close, though I only got 4 hours sleep last night and am much too tired to run the numbers.

If anyone is gonna run the numbers, make sure you do them proportional to geographic area. (meaning if you're gonna compare Downtown Edmonton and Downtown Calgary, remember the fact that Downtown Edmonton is 2.2 km2 with ~15,000 people, and Downtown Calgary is 1.8 km2 with ~20,000 people)


Once our 2019 civic census numbers come out (hopefully next week), I'll be able to do a full rundown of our inner city by population, density, and geographic area. Though I do know that last year our entire inner city recorded their all-time population highs.



Here's last year's results if anyone wants : https://www.calgary.ca/CA/city-clerks/Do...8/Civic_Census_-_at_a_glance_booklet.PDF



Phew! *wipes sweat off brow* Now time for bed




Also, I agree with your original statement, it would be extremely impressive if we had the density of Vancouver, Montreal, or Toronto in our core along with the insane density of modern office skyscrapers. Though I think all things considered, we are reeeeally lucky for a city our size to have all of what we have, and to be in a recession but literally have billions of dollars of infrastructure/parks/roads/sidewalks/bike paths revitalization underway at the moment in the core alone.
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2019, 4:16 PM
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I'm at the tail end of my visit home before heading back to Asia, so I went up Knox Mountain to take some pictures of the city.

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I think what he means is more of a built up area outside of the Beltline/Downtown area. Vancouver's downtown peninsula for example is around the same size area wise as downtown Calgary/Beltline, but the surrounding neighbourhoods outside of the downtown peninsula equal something like 4 or 5 Beltlines.

For Calgary to follow the same path, there needs to be a major change in land use policy over a very large area. It makes sense though, as you would have a very high percentage of people walking, cycling, taking transit to work, especially in Calgary where there are a huge amount of office jobs in the core. Not to mention more vibrant street life.
The problem for Calgary compared to Vancouver is the endless supply of land to keep building new suburbs and the freeways that serve them. Vancouver is more dense by the fact that it's out of land, and for the city of Vancouver to keep growing, they have to add more density. Vancouver's suburbs can really only keep building to the east, whereas Calgary can grow in all directions. People here love to bitch about traffic, but it really isn't that bad and will have to get a lot worse before the majority start switching to inner city to avoid it. Even with the majority of our growth in the suburbs, the inner city is starting to intensify quite well though, it's hard to find a street that doesn't have infills or condos going in to replace the SFH that was there before.
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There's a relatively famous aerial photo of downtown Vancouver skyline from 1979 and I was curious to see if I could find a current photo from a similar perspective and then overlay them as best as I could using Photoshop's various stretching, skewing, and distortion tools. Here are the results.

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1979 vs 2019


The end result is far from ideal, but I still like how it turn out.
Impressive growth! Vancouver before looks like Winnipeg today.
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What's impresses me about Calgary's skyline is not just how large it is relative to it's overall population...but also how large it is considering how much of the population is suburban. How much more impressive would it look if urban living became more favourable there like in the other larger cities? It would be shooting way over it's weight then.
Calgary's skyline is in part to being concentrated in one area. I don't think spreading out tall development would necessarily have made it more impressive. afterall, the city's population is only 1.3 million. Imagine if all of Toronto's high rise units and office space were added to the central skyline. The size would put Chicago to shame. (but not the history)

I believe my neighbourhood's tallest is 8 floors. It is infinitely more walkable and urban than the 30 to 70 storey Humber Bay Shores. Let's not conflate urban living with height.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 9:30 PM
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The problem for Calgary compared to Vancouver is the endless supply of land to keep building new suburbs and the freeways that serve them. Vancouver is more dense by the fact that it's out of land, and for the city of Vancouver to keep growing, they have to add more density. Vancouver's suburbs can really only keep building to the east, whereas Calgary can grow in all directions. People here love to bitch about traffic, but it really isn't that bad and will have to get a lot worse before the majority start switching to inner city to avoid it. Even with the majority of our growth in the suburbs, the inner city is starting to intensify quite well though, it's hard to find a street that doesn't have infills or condos going in to replace the SFH that was there before.
And condos are super expensive relative to the size of living space you get, plus maintenance fees, especially in a city like Calgary where there are sanely priced houses.

I don't know what OCP's Calgary has but I think the best approach for Calgary outside DT/Beltline area is what I see happening in the neighbourhood just south of Shaganappi Station. It looks like those 50 foot wide lots are being subdivided into 2 lots or there are duplexes being built - as you said. If there are secondary suites in these then you will eventually get densities around 20 000/sq mile, which is high enough to support a good walk-able neighbourhood. I would zone 17th Ave for mid-rise mixed use. As of right now, there is not much of retail street for that neighbourhood to build around.
     
     
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The end result is far from ideal, but I still like how it turn out.
Interesting how the "before" pic looks conventionally American, while the "after" pic is uniquely of Vancouver. I can't think of any other city like it with respect to the highrise typology, though Toronto has patches that are reminiscent of it.
     
     
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Maybe I'm crazy but in some weird way, the before actually looks better.
     
     
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A couple nice pics of Victoria.

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Maybe I'm crazy but in some weird way, the before actually looks better.
I would have to agree. There is a lot of the same with the new residential towers. Mostly white pre-cast and foam green glazing.
     
     
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I would have to agree. There is a lot of the same with the new residential towers. Mostly white pre-cast and foam green glazing.
Those residential towers with greenish glass are (almost) the commie blocks of the 2000-2010 era. I didn't mind them much in the beginning, but now that some of our major cities are overrun with them I hate them. The street treatment for those buildings is usually very bleak with large podiums, exessive setbacks, and abudant greenry that instantly kills street animation. Clusters of such buildings are just plain ugly so they still suck even with an adequate street treatment.

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A couple nice pics of Victoria.

Pics below by Gary Hoyer at flickr.com


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Very nice. I love this city. I don't know why, but It kind of remind me of a mid-sized city of New Zealand such as Dunedin.
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