Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by dothediu

The Oak station entrance is going to be closer to Laurel St. Hence the name change. I think Translink bought a property there.

Also, Broadway-City Hall doesn't seem like it will have additional above ground station entrances. There will likely just be the underground connection to the existing Canada line station.

The city bought the old Scotiabank property on the corner of Broadway/Oak.

Ron.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

The city bought the old Scotiabank property on the corner of Broadway/Oak.

Ron.

the city also owns this building as of the last few years.

[dothediu]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

the city also owns this building as of the last few years.

How about the Avis building next to this? Would make more sense if it was at the intersection.

[idunno]

^^Potentially this building and the Avis building will form the east station house, while the Oak Street old Scotiabank building will form the west station house. Or is having two station houses too much to ask?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

what about the former lululemon space that was intended for a future broadway line entrance?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-broadway-extension-millennium-line-stations-vancouver

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i want to know when Crossroads will have its station entrance connected to the new line. it is a natural idea since, you know, it was built for that...

Someone posted a while back that the Lululemon / Crossroads space may not be feasible or may be too expensive.

What we inferred that to mean is that the Broadway City Hall platform for the Broadway Subway may be located wholly east of Cambie Street - so the entrance at Crossroads, being west of Cambie, would require a passage under the Canada Line tunnels to reach the new platform.
An Oak station in the block east of Oak (at Laurel) also aligns with a Cambie station shifted to the east as well.

So if the Crossroads entrance were to be used, it would just access the Canada Line station, without direct access to the new Broadway Subway station - and could be considered out-of-scope for the Broadway Subway (even if it increases overall station circulation).

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Someone posted a while back that the Lululemon / Crossroads space may not be feasible or may be too expensive.

What we inferred that to mean is that the Broadway City Hall platform for the Broadway Subway may be located wholly east of Cambie Street - so the entrance at Crossroads, being west of Cambie, would require a passage under the Canada Line tunnels to reach the new platform.
An Oak station in the block east of Oak (at Laurel) also aligns with a Cambie station shifted to the east as well.

So if the Crossroads entrance were to be used, it would just access the Canada Line station, without direct access to the new Broadway Subway station - and could be considered out-of-scope for the Broadway Subway (even if it increases overall station circulation).

all (or a lot ) will be revealed when the envelopes are opened next year.

until then its just speculation and educated guesses here

[WarrenC12]

The entrance (let's face it, there will be only one) to the east of Cambie would be pretty disappointing.

The wait is painful though!

Do we even know for sure that it will be bored under Broadway (and not 10th?)

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The entrance (let's face it, there will be only one) to the east of Cambie would be pretty disappointing.

The wait is painful though!

Do we even know for sure that it will be bored under Broadway (and not 10th?)

the general consensus for the last few years has been that it will run under broadway (or on broadway whenever lrt is discussed), and the CoV has demanded NO cut n cover trenches ever again after Cambie subway construction - even if the city has to pay the increased cost of using TBMs

maybe harcourt's dream express UBC subway can be put under 10th

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Do we even know for sure that it will be bored under Broadway (and not 10th?)

Well they sure as heck wouldn't be busy stringing trolley wires along 12th Avenue if they were planning to bore 10th rather than Broadway...

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

it will be Broadway. period.

i really want more than 1 entrance though... sigh... and 100m/expandable to 100m platforms... sigh...

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Well they sure as heck wouldn't be busy stringing trolley wires along 12th Avenue if they were planning to bore 10th rather than Broadway...

Stations would still disrupt traffic along Broadway...

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

it will be Broadway. period.

i really want more than 1 entrance though... sigh... and 100m/expandable to 100m platforms... sigh...

100m platforms became a fantasy the moment they began doing station upgrades starting with Main/Science World.

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

100m platforms became a fantasy the moment they began doing station upgrades starting with Main/Science World.

There is nothing stopping them from having whatever length platform they want. If they make the trains longer however, then they won't align with existing ones, and will block switches for longer amounts of time. If they wanted to future-proof it a little, they would leave the space necessary to both make it 100m and full subway width so they never have to modify the tunnel for the next 100 years.

It would be expensive to retrofit the rest of the Expo/Millennium line to make platforms longer or cars wider, but at the same time, there's nothing really preventing the line from being modified in the same way it was built. Like if we wanted an express line and 24 hour availability, we should have a third guideway along the entire entire line, which a retrofit would be something that could be stacked on top of the existing line's ROW up to the Dunsmuir tunnel. The tunnel would have to have a parallel tunnel built since it's already stacked.

[officedweller]

The partners include the MST Development Corporation (Musqueam, Squamish & Tseil-Waututh)
- which owns all or part of the Jericho Lands.

Public engagement regarding horizontal & vertical alignment in Fall 2019.


https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen...rs-Council-PUBLIC-MTG--July-25-FINAL.pdf

[Migrant_Coconut]

Bottom line, there's going to be a Jericho Station. Possibly one at Lelem or the Squamish Burrard parcel.

[jsbertram]

[QUOTE=officedweller;8637225]The partners include the MST Development Corporation (Musqueam, Squamish & Tseil-Waututh)
- which owns all or part of the Jericho Lands.

Public engagement regarding horizontal & vertical alignment in Fall 2019.

>SNIP<
/QUOTE]

I'm reading this as Translink or BC Gov't is trying to find others with deep pockets to 'chip in' their share to pay for segments / stations that will benefit the 'others'

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Bottom line, there's going to be a Jericho Station. Possibly one at Lelem or the Squamish Burrard parcel.

i won't be surprised if the 'block f' at UBC is somehow tied into this phase II m-line extension

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Kisai

There is nothing stopping them from having whatever length platform they want. If they make the trains longer however, then they won't align with existing ones, and will block switches for longer amounts of time. If they wanted to future-proof it a little, they would leave the space necessary to both make it 100m and full subway width so they never have to modify the tunnel for the next 100 years.

It would be expensive to retrofit the rest of the Expo/Millennium line to make platforms longer or cars wider, but at the same time, there's nothing really preventing the line from being modified in the same way it was built. Like if we wanted an express line and 24 hour availability, we should have a third guideway along the entire entire line, which a retrofit would be something that could be stacked on top of the existing line's ROW up to the Dunsmuir tunnel. The tunnel would have to have a parallel tunnel built since it's already stacked.

for all the complaints about the c-line build, i doubt there's many complaints about spending a bit more per station to build them with 50M platforms (although they have temporary block walls built to make some platforms appear to be 40M). its easier & cheaper to remove the temporary walls in the future to get the full-length platforms, than to dig up the streets again to extend each of the stations.

it should be a no-brainer decision to build the ubc line stations with 100M platforms, but hide 20M behind temporary brick walls until a decision is made to have 100M platforms on the entire M-line (later this century)

spending a few extra $million now to save $billions later should be encouraged

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Bottom line, there's going to be a Jericho Station. Possibly one at Lelem or the Squamish Burrard parcel.

the Squamish Burrard land (beside the burrard bridge) is a bit of a trek to the broadway UBC skytrain.

but it's close to a future arbutus / burrard /downtown line

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

i won't be surprised if the 'block f' at UBC is somehow tied into this phase II m-line extension

Right, Lelem is the new name for Block F.