Edmonton Construction 13 (November 2015)

[Coldrsx]

My guess is that 2 projects are in front of it.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by kcantor

it doesn't matter does it?

the opinion expressed was purely on aesthetics independent of manufacturer or product line or performance spec's and included the "i don't know if it's a quality product or not" disclaimer with the opinion.

Of course I am asking about the manufacturer also. Do you happen to know Ken?

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Of course I am asking about the manufacturer also. Do you happen to know Ken?

i don't but norr probably does (they're the architect) as would cidex (who are the owner and self contracting as far as i know). the glazing contractor would know as well but i'm not sure who it is (i'll look for some site signage the next time i go past if there is any) noting that few of the contractors manufacture their frames (i.e. kawneer) although they may cut and assemble them and few of them manufacture their own sealed glazing or spandrel panels in house either.

[Black Star]

Edmonton library architect defends design against social-media critics.

Wow..... a wee delusional laddy.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/...nton-library-design-renovation-1.5217011

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Edmonton library architect defends design against social-media critics.

Wow..... a wee delusional laddy.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/...nton-library-design-renovation-1.5217011

so now "we're not seeing the whole picture" according to the architect?

maybe because it's actually getting harder and harder to find any of the original images of the whole picture as they've been scrubbed even from the architect's site along with any quotes talking about it including this: "Images of the stripped facade attracted attention recently. Toronto-based architect Stephen Teeple said the office will issue better renderings of what the glass and aluminum metal bands will look like soon. Some of the bands will have a prismatic finish, which will make them change colour as the sun moves overhead or the viewer walks around the building."

the whole picture that's being described isn't the vertical barn board and batten grey zinc even if it might be considered a high end material in europe. the only way to see the whole picture now is to squint your eyes really tight and allow what does peek through to challenge and inspire your imagination... because what's left of the whole picture certainly doesn't.

this link still shows the original whole picture:

https://transformingedmonton.ca/downtown...kVZqOka726DItAo-ZFhy1rNg2kAs821pDCH2pxT8

[Kevin_foster]

The initial artwork set by teeple at the beginning was awesome.

I wonder if the city had a hand in reducing the vision to what ended up being a glorified totem meat smoker.

I'll try to find the image I remember seeing initially.

Edit: found it

[kcantor]

Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

The initial artwork set by teeple at the beginning was awesome.

I wonder if the city had a hand in reducing the vision to what ended up being a glorified totem meat smoker.

I'll try to find the image I remember seeing initially.

they're getting really hard to find. there are some in some of the journal articles but they're links and not actual pdf's so when you click on them they take you to the new ones on teeple's site as the originals have been deleted.

two of them are still on the following site but embedded in the article and not as images that can be linked directly:

https://transformingedmonton.ca/downtown...kVZqOka726DItAo-ZFhy1rNg2kAs821pDCH2pxT8

teeple's comments at the time make complete sense when looking at these images. they make no sense when looking at the value engineered smoker - to borrow your description - that actually got built. and his current comments come across as a text-book rationalization that does neither him or his client credit.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Edmonton library architect defends design against social-media critics.

Wow..... a wee delusional laddy.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/...nton-library-design-renovation-1.5217011

Picked up by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48998570

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Picked up by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48998570

Wholly cow. This story has legs and now wings.

[Hardhatdan]

Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

The initial artwork set by teeple at the beginning was awesome.

I wonder if the city had a hand in reducing the vision to what ended up being a glorified totem meat smoker.

I'll try to find the image I remember seeing initially.

Edit: found it

This is really nice. The value engineering on this gutted it so so badly.
Fiscally prudent...to not have the right budget for the right final product.
Incredibly disappointing exteriorand I don't think any finishing touches will change that, but please someone pull out a miracle.

[Albicaulis]

Just keep saying "Europe" when they criticize the zinc and the unsophisticated Canadian internet trolls will go away....

[CtrlAltDel]

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[Landlocked]

Originally Posted by Albicaulis

Just keep saying "Europe" when they criticize the zinc and the unsophisticated Canadian internet trolls will go away....

What I don't get is that this was approved, and the build so far looks impressive, though overly ostentatious given the purpose, but a library across from city hall got the industrial treatment.

[ExcaliburKid]

On a related note:
New EPS NW Campus Roof Leaking

[Landlocked]

Originally Posted by ExcaliburKid

On a related note:
New EPS NW Campus Roof Leaking

Yeah I heard that PCL had some epic repairs/replacements to do. I have to assume those costs are eaten by the builder though and they'll learn from that fiasco.

I am impressed with how well the build looks given how much can change from design though.

[Hardhatdan]

Originally Posted by Landlocked

Yeah I heard that PCL had some epic repairs/replacements to do. I have to assume those costs are eaten by the builder though and they'll learn from that fiasco.

I am impressed with how well the build looks given how much can change from design though.

When it comes to the EPS there is no limit to the budget.
So much funding they can build a leading architectural piece on a outer road facing the remand center.

[Black Star]

Now imagine these built within 5 years.



Alldritt Tower 80
Great Gulf Tower 61
BMO Building Redevelopment 50
Edmonton Motors 48 37
Jasper & 108st 45 35
Westrich 106st | 40+
Healy Tower 1 40 35 30
The shift 38 35
Falcon Towers 2 43
Falcon Towers 1 37
Mackenzie Tower 34
CNIB 32
The Hat 24
Clifton place 22
Artists Quarters 18
The Mezzo 16

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Black Star

Now imagine these built within 5 years.



Alldritt Tower 80
Great Gulf Tower 61
BMO Building Redevelopment 50
Edmonton Motors 48 37
Jasper & 108st 45 35
Westrich 106st | 40+
Healy Tower 1 40 35 30
The shift 38 35
Falcon Towers 2 43
Falcon Towers 1 37
Mackenzie Tower 34
CNIB 32
The Hat 24
Clifton place 22
Artists Quarters 18
The Mezzo 16

Would be awesome, but doubt the market will turn enough in 5 years to substantiate this amount of new inventory coming to market.

Realistically, I think we will approx. half of these break ground within 5 years, which is still a good number.

[feepa]

Only about 1/4 to 1/3 of projects ever get past the drawing boards.

[B.ike]

kind of feel like the police campus and library designs could have been switched.

Also here's encore: