YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by s211

Over on the Calgary thread, it's reported AA is going daily to ORD. I wonder if they've reallocated that plane.

YYC-ORD is already daily, just a seasonal extension. Also isn’t YVR-ORD mainline? YYC is on American Eagle E75.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

DFW was never mainline. ORD started with a single daily 319 but they opted to go double daily with CR9s.

I guess the 220s can’t come quickly enough!

Yes sorry I was referring to ord. Dallas must be a torturous journey on the CR9!

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

YYC-ORD is already daily, just a seasonal extension. Also isn’t YVR-ORD mainline? YYC is on American Eagle E75.

Jazz does YVR-ORD. The CR9 has plenty of legroom and IFE so not bad for long flights.

[s211]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Jazz does YVR-ORD. The CR9 has plenty of legroom and IFE so not bad for long flights.

I fly that tin can / cigar tube route and it's a dire slog to experience. AC ought to be ashamed flying that thing on that route.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by s211

I fly that tin can / cigar tube route and it's a dire slog to experience. AC ought to be ashamed flying that thing on that route.

I've never flown in that type of plane, so please excuse my curiosity. What precisely do you not like about the plane? Narrow seats? Noise? And what about inflight service? thx

[s211]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I've never flown in that type of plane, so please excuse my curiosity. What precisely do you not like about the plane? Narrow seats? Noise? And what about inflight service? thx

What don't I like? If you're more than six feet tall, you have to hunch when standing in the aisle. I've seen taller people have a difficult time fitting in the washrooms, literally having to back into the unit. Seats? Bush league. I've been on more than one flight where they had to redistribute the seating to balance out the plane.

Worst? In business, you'll be lucky to find room for more than one bag. One side of the aisle has zero storage above.

And I've only flown business on those planes. I'd die if I flew steerage in one of those things for a 4+ hour flight.

[casper]

Originally Posted by s211

What don't I like? If you're more than six feet tall, you have to hunch when standing in the aisle. I've seen taller people have a difficult time fitting in the washrooms, literally having to back into the unit. Seats? Bush league. I've been on more than one flight where they had to redistribute the seating to balance out the plane.

Worst? In business, you'll be lucky to find room for more than one bag. One side of the aisle has zero storage above.

And I've only flown business on those planes. I'd die if I flew steerage in one of those things for a 4+ hour flight.

When I lived in Saskatoon on the first routes to get these aircraft was Saskatoon <-> Toronto. Major improvement over the A320 where they frequently would do Toronto-Regina-Saskatoon-Toronto routing.

For years they the union contact Air Canada limited the number of seats operated by regional to 75. There were aircraft design for 90 or so. More leg room than any other aircraft in the fleet. However, the union finally let them put more seats in these birds. Now they are just as tight as any other AC aircraft and now they are to be a avoided.

[Hourglass]

Massive queues at security for international departures on evening of June 29. Felt like I was at LGA. Wonder if YVR has any plans to install automatic gates like at Singapore or Hong Kong.

On another note, saw a report on CAPA that YVR and LIM met to discuss direct links: https://centreforaviation.com/news/vanco...ss-direct-connectivity-for-2h2020-915355. I’m not sure anything will come of it, but it sure would be nice to see LATAM at YVR.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Massive queues at security for international departures on evening of June 29. Felt like I was at LGA. Wonder if YVR has any plans to install automatic gates like at Singapore or Hong Kong.

On another note, saw a report on CAPA that YVR and LIM met to discuss direct links: https://centreforaviation.com/news/vanco...ss-direct-connectivity-for-2h2020-915355. I’m not sure anything will come of it, but it sure would be nice to see LATAM at YVR.

I thought LATAM was Brazil, and LAN PERU was Peru. Oh well, in either case, a connection to South America would be fantastic. YVR would be a 5-continent airport!

[teriyaki]

Haven't been following aircraft scheduling that closely. Just saw that the Lufthansa flight to Munich today was on an A340-600. Possibly my first time seeing the 600 series at YVR. Is this a one off or scheduled equipment for YVR.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Haven't been following aircraft scheduling that closely. Just saw that the Lufthansa flight to Munich today was on an A340-600. Possibly my first time seeing the 600 series at YVR. Is this a one off or scheduled equipment for YVR.

That's what a/c I'm scheduled to be on later this summer.

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

That's what a/c I'm scheduled to be on later this summer.

If your in Economy the neat thing about that aircraft is the washrooms that are located downstairs.

When Air Canada had the smaller A340 in the fleet there one of my favorites as they were very quiet to be on. Sadly they did not stick around in the AC fleet for very long.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

If your in Economy the neat thing about that aircraft is the washrooms that are located downstairs.

When Air Canada had the smaller A340 in the fleet there one of my favorites as they were very quiet to be on. Sadly they did not stick around in the AC fleet for very long.

I took a trip back to Vancouver some years ago on a Lufthansa A340, and found those downstairs washrooms one of the nicest features on the plane.
They are discreet, and one doesn't have the embarassment (call it what you will) of everyone seeing you in the lineup, especially after meal times.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Langdon0630

AA cancels YVR - ORD and - PHX as of Sept 4 / Nov 21, 2019.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1425983&sid=435a52c788d2f76b6065a55764123d72

OMG what is happening with AA? IIRC AA was twice daily to PHX last winter.

Both routes are now seasonal and will resume June 2020

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-suspends-first-route-due-to-737-max-grounding/

And now I'm wonder if AC will step in and upgauge their flights... Seems like AC had been steadily taking away market shares from all these routes...

[Gordon]

would it not make more sense foir Phx to be seasonal in the winter?

[zahav]

May stats are posted. I am too lazy to post but the results were very meh, kind of expected. Transborder actually was done YOY which I was kind of surprised by. Max grounding to blame or?

[LeftCoaster]

Terrible numbers for May, possibly the worst since I've been keeping track for several years now:

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/05-may/maytrafficupdate.pdf?la=en

Overall up 1.8% to 2,186,452
Domestic up 1.2% to 1,071,882
International up 2.4% to 1,114,570

International breakdown
Transborder down 1.1%
Asia Pacific up 7.8%
Europe up 3.1%
Misc intl down 1.6%

YTD overall up 2.8% to 10.3 million
YTD Domestic up 2.1% to 4.9 million
YTD Intl up 3.4% to 5.4 million

I am very surprised by some of these numbers, in particular:

- Paltry domestic growth: Given the strong economy in Vancouver right now this is very surprising
- Loss in transborder: This is even more surprising given the economy, tourism numbers, and record number of cruise ships this season
- Asia Pacific Gains: Another shocker, but to the good this time. With the drawdowns in Asia seats I expected a drop here. I guess loads must be improving big time.

Hopefully the rest of the summer is a bit better than this, however I don't expect it will be.

[trofirhen]

^ Do you have any idea why growth has slowed so much this year?

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

- Paltry domestic growth: Given the strong economy in Vancouver right now this is very surprising
- Loss in transborder: This is even more surprising given the economy, tourism numbers, and record number of cruise ships this season
- Asia Pacific Gains: Another shocker, but to the good this time. With the drawdowns in Asia seats I expected a drop here. I guess loads must be improving big time.

Hopefully the rest of the summer is a bit better than this, however I don't expect it will be.

Asia Pacific - Maybe cause by AC routing DEL traffic through YVR due to airspace closure?
Transborder - MAX may have at least affect the number a bit. Hawaii is the hardest hit out of YVR for AC, as well as SFO and LAX I think it all reduced by once daily due to MAX grounding.
Domestic - Maybe YXX takes away some of the traffic..?


Well, it seems like Air North is planning to add scheduled service to Nanaimo and Watson Lake as early as September. Maybe that'll boost the domestic number a bit?
https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/business...on-stop-flights-from-nanaimo-to-kelowna/

Currently Air North already operates weekly direct charter to YQH out of YVR with 3 stops via YCD, YLW, and YXS.

[SpongeG]

I think the MAX is a big reason. Also with all waht is going on with China, probably a lot less people wanting to do business with them and them with us.