YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 721

nname · #**14401** Posted **Jun 27, 2019, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As it stands now, and with Air Canada's increase to Mexico, YVR-Mexico/Central America/Caribbean flights will increase to 101 weekly flights this winter.

So far it's

AC 30
WS 22
WG 16
AM 15
TS 10
4O 8

AM is now at least 16 for the bulk of the winter season (until Mar 28), with a peak of up to 21 during Christmas season.

Johnny Aussie · #**14402** Posted **Jun 27, 2019, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

AM is now at least 16 for the bulk of the winter season (until Mar 28), with a peak of up to 21 during Christmas season.

By George you're right!

Well let's say 102 then as the peak is only for a few weeks!

First time over 100 anyway!

s211 · #**14403** Posted **Jun 27, 2019, 10:29 PM**

An Air Canada question, if I may, for the experts in the crowd.

Why does AC seem to only fly Jazz-branded cigar tubes between Chicago and Vancouver? They're just the most painful things out there. Can't AC even put a 737 or 320 on that flight, or is perhaps the MAX issue to blame?

Just curious, because I'm about to ditch AC for United if this keep up, even if United is measurably more expensive.

nname · #**14404** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

An Air Canada question, if I may, for the experts in the crowd.

Why does AC seem to only fly Jazz-branded cigar tubes between Chicago and Vancouver? They're just the most painful things out there. Can't AC even put a 737 or 320 on that flight, or is perhaps the MAX issue to blame?

Just curious, because I'm about to ditch AC for United if this keep up, even if United is measurably more expensive.

Maybe 2x 320 is too much capacity?

YVR-ORD is one of the route planned for C-Series A220 according to one presentation.

Johnny Aussie · #**14405** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 1:40 AM**

YVR to become Flair's second busiest base this winter with a whopping 25 flights per week! Hub status!!

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019/06/27/flair-air-modest-winter-schedule-canada-2019-2020/

Love this quote...

"While Flair’s overall schedule will be far smaller than Swoop’s – 124 weekly flights compared to 252 – since all its flying will be domestic, Flair will actually be the larger domestic ultra low-cost carrier. Swoop, having been stung by poor loads last winter on its Canadian routes, will shift capacity to sun destinations for the winter."

So let's see.. Swoop got screwed on domestic routes last winter and Flair got screwed on Transborder routes last winter... they're swapping strategies! Flair goes domestic and Swoop goes Transborder/Mexico!

TBH Flair putting its eggs into the domestic basket during the Canadian winter is not a recipe for success. Not much of a choice I guess considering the disaster from last winter but damned if you do damned if you don't I suppose.

nname · #**14406** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR to become Flair's second busiest base this winter with a whopping 25 flights per week! Hub status!!

https://westernaviationnews.com/2019/06/27/flair-air-modest-winter-schedule-canada-2019-2020/

Seems like Flair's winter schedule out of YVR will be mostly the same as summer.

Daily YVR-YYZ
Daily YVR-YEG-YYZ
6x weekly YVR-YYC-YYZ
1x weekly YVR-YYC
4x weekly YVR-YEG

I see more than 18 out of YYZ though (that's already 20x weekly from the ones listed above)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So let's see.. Swoop got screwed on domestic routes last winter and Flair got screwed on Transborder routes last winter... they're swapping strategies! Flair goes domestic and Swoop goes Transborder/Mexico!

Well, Swoop's domestic routes are from YXX, YHM, YXU, whereas Flair fly out of YVR, YYC, YYZ... not exactly the same...?

Johnny Aussie · #**14407** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 3:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Seems like Flair's winter schedule out of YVR will be mostly the same as summer.

Daily YVR-YYZ
Daily YVR-YEG-YYZ
6x weekly YVR-YYC-YYZ
1x weekly YVR-YYC
4x weekly YVR-YEG

I see more than 18 out of YYZ though (that's already 20x weekly from the ones listed above)

Well, Swoop's domestic routes are from YXX, YHM, YXU, whereas Flair fly out of YVR, YYC, YYZ... not exactly the same...?

Yes, but Domestic in Canada is not known to be profitable regardless where you fly your metal. But after last year's fiasco guess they don't have much choice. Maybe they'll get it right eventually.

s211 · #**14408** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 4:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Maybe 2x 320 is too much capacity?

YVR-ORD is one of the route planned for C-Series A220 according to one presentation.

IIRC, United flies a 320 4 times a day out of Vancouver.

nname · #**14409** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 5:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by s211

IIRC, United flies a 320 4 times a day out of Vancouver.

And UA wouldn't want to give up one of the daily for AC even though they forms JV. The same applies to UA for DEN, LH for FRA, and probably NZ for AKL in the future.

CareerShow · #**14410** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

An Air Canada question, if I may, for the experts in the crowd.

Why does AC seem to only fly Jazz-branded cigar tubes between Chicago and Vancouver? They're just the most painful things out there. Can't AC even put a 737 or 320 on that flight, or is perhaps the MAX issue to blame?

Just curious, because I'm about to ditch AC for United if this keep up, even if United is measurably more expensive.

It’s a good question....same goes for Dallas! I remember ac started out with an a320 on the route as well.....

thenoflyzone · #**14411** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

It’s a good question....same goes for Dallas! I remember ac started out with an a320 on the route as well.....

Mainline A320s are too big, E190s are on their way out, and E175s have restrictions over the Rockies.

It's either CRJ or nothing, until the CSeries comes.

Simple really.

Johnny Aussie · #**14412** Posted **Jun 28, 2019, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

It’s a good question....same goes for Dallas! I remember ac started out with an a320 on the route as well.....

DFW was never mainline. ORD started with a single daily 319 but they opted to go double daily with CR9s.

I guess the 220s can’t come quickly enough!

madog222 · #**14413** Posted **Jun 29, 2019, 4:57 AM**

Pier D progress as of June 25, my pictures.

trofirhen · #**14414** Posted **Jun 29, 2019, 7:44 AM**

By the time that's finished, let's hope we have a few major new destinations, and maybe a couple of new foreign airlines. Exciting times ahead for YVR. Interesting pictures, thanks.

zahav · #**14415** Posted **Jun 29, 2019, 10:10 PM**

YVR is renumbering the international/transborder gates again on Sep. 10th, in advance of the new terminal expansion. There will be more remote stands from the new expansion too. Basically no change from D50-55 but from there it will now be full sequential and not skip numbers

trofirhen · #**14416** Posted **Jun 30, 2019, 4:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

YVR is renumbering the international/transborder gates again on Sep. 10th, in advance of the new terminal expansion. There will be more remote stands from the new expansion too. Basically no change from D50-55 but from there it will now be full sequential and not skip numbers

Interesting, thank you. / Do you know how many gates YVR currently has? it's numbered up into the mid-90 range, including the "Seattle satellite."
But in fact, if as you say, numbers have been skipped, the real number of gates is lower. if someone asked me how many gates YVR had, what would be the precise response?

YYCguys · #**14417** Posted **Jun 30, 2019, 5:19 AM**

Why are numbers currently being skipped?

nname · #**14418** Posted **Jun 30, 2019, 5:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

Why are numbers currently being skipped?

Current gates:

50, 51, 52
53, 54, 55, 56*, 57*, 58, (59), (60)
62
64, 65, 66, 67, 70, 71, 73, 75, 76, 77
78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85*, 86, 87, 88
90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96

* = remote stands
() = formerly used for remote stands but no longer used this year

Langdon0630 · #**14419** Posted **Jun 30, 2019, 3:55 PM**

AA cancels YVR - ORD and - PHX as of Sept 4 / Nov 21, 2019.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1425983&sid=435a52c788d2f76b6065a55764123d72

OMG what is happening with AA? IIRC AA was twice daily to PHX last winter.

s211 · #**14420** Posted **Jun 30, 2019, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Langdon0630

AA cancels YVR - ORD and - PHX as of Sept 4 / Nov 21, 2019.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1425983&sid=435a52c788d2f76b6065a55764123d72

OMG what is happening with AA? IIRC AA was twice daily to PHX last winter.

Over on the Calgary thread, it's reported AA is going daily to ORD. I wonder if they've reallocated that plane.