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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 9:19 PM
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Am I the only one who finds it weird that a few posts below a picture of the dearth of surface lots downtown someone is asking where wawanesa employees will park?
It's 1100 people. Even if 75% take the bus that's nearly 300 people driving. They're going to want to park somewhere...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 9:30 PM
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it goes somewhere nearby and eats up a small surface lot.
Maybe the small surface lot next to the medical Arts Building that was supposed to be the WCLC headquarters before the Pallister government axed the project? It's not too far from the RWB studios.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 9:44 PM
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Yeah this panic is very odd...

Theres the RWB parkade, the Medical Arts parkade, the CityPlace parkade, the Convention Centre parkade, and the several story Impark parkade all within a block of this spot. If their employees can't walk 1 whole block from the various parkades available to the public then theres no helping them...

Oh and the 2 story one built into TNS I'm sure they'll have access to... wow theres lots of parking within a 1 minute walk of this place...

All this isn't including the 2+ block marathon hike of things like the Bay parkade, Glasshouse parkade, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2019, 11:33 PM
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Didn't the Richardson family (i.e. Muriel Richardson) put cash into the RWB residence to build it? If so they have an idea on how to move it to a new location.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 12:19 AM
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Theres like 15 parkades within a couple blocks. And that number might be low.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 1:01 AM
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How about 34 bachelor suites already existing at 399 Graham for the ballet school dormitory? They could be tuned up and ready for January 1st. Easy, seamless and economical... just needs a new coat of paint.
those would be perfect for rwb indeed
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 1:38 AM
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It's 1100 people. Even if 75% take the bus that's nearly 300 people driving. They're going to want to park somewhere...
And they’ll find parking. If there’s no parking rates will be raised to an extent to which everyone who wants to park will. It’s simple supply and demand. It’s not like wawanesa will be bleeding employees because of parking.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 1:54 AM
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I'm just wondering, what happened to making new Winnipeg Construction threads after 500 pages have passed? I thought you guys liked to keep this tradition alive. :p
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:10 AM
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I've done one downtown zoning bylaw rant today, so I'll leave it to someone else to find out if a gi-normous sign like that is allowed downtown... (Spoiler alert: it's almost certainly not permitted, though it will probably still go through because Downtown Revitalization Politics.)

Anyway, I wonder what this means to the potential redevelopment of the current Wawanesa property at Broadway and Main?
There’s a lot of buildings downtown with big signs at the top. How’s this any different?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:29 AM
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I'm just wondering, what happened to making new Winnipeg Construction threads after 500 pages have passed? I thought you guys liked to keep this tradition alive. :p
I take it you volunteer to create the new thread
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 3:04 AM
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they did away with that a year ago
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 3:21 AM
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So the Wawanesa project is not the only recent downtown project right? Biff said it’s “one of them”

And apparently nothing more will be revealed lol
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:09 PM
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You might think of it as weird, but for the people paying the bills on these offices and apartments, there is a certain level of amenities they expect. The people I am talking about are annoyed about having to find spaces at the Convention Centre parking lot or other nearby parkades... they aren't going to walk from Ellice or Garry over to TNS.

It's a bit like paying $200 a night for a hotel room and the desk clerk telling you that you have to wash your own towels and bedding. At a certain point you realize that you can get more for you money.
Office locations decisions are made by the company itself, not their employees. I trust Wawanesa made this decision carefully, and obviously they see a lot of value in relocating to a new building at a prominent location. The benefits to the company clearly outweigh the drawbacks of Brenda from HR or Darren in Claims Adjustment maybe having to walk a little further or pay a little more for parking.

More generally, did anyone on this forum really think downtown could intensify -- taller buildings replace parking lots and low-rise buildings -- without there being *some* adjustment in the supply and cost of parking? I don't think you can have 2010s-era growth and 1990s-era parking supply and prices at the same time.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:17 PM
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Office locations decisions are made by the company itself, not their employees. I trust Wawanesa made this decision carefully, and obviously they see a lot of value in relocating to a new building at a prominent location. The benefits to the company clearly outweigh the drawbacks of Brenda from HR or Darren in Claims Adjustment maybe having to walk a little further or pay a little more for parking.

More generally, did anyone on this forum really think downtown could intensify -- taller buildings replace parking lots and low-rise buildings -- without there being *some* adjustment in the supply and cost of parking? I don't think you can have 2010s-era growth and 1990s-era parking supply and prices at the same time.
Once the existing supply is swallowed up and parking rates reach a certain tipping point, the invisible hand will trigger new parkades... if there's money to be made it will happen.

I know it's fun to imagine a Winnipeg with no downtown parking lots, but it just isn't realistic yet considering that transit service continues to be basic with still only half of one rapid transit line in operation, the downtown population is basically a rounding error and many of the walking distance residential neighbourhoods surrounding downtown effectively remain no-go zones for the middle class people who fill those towers for the most part. Hopefully that will change, but we're a long way from that happening.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:18 PM
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Office locations decisions are made by the company itself, not their employees. I trust Wawanesa made this decision carefully, and obviously they see a lot of value in relocating to a new building at a prominent location. The benefits to the company clearly outweigh the drawbacks of Brenda from HR or Darren in Claims Adjustment maybe having to walk a little further or pay a little more for parking.

More generally, did anyone on this forum really think downtown could intensify -- taller buildings replace parking lots and low-rise buildings -- without there being *some* adjustment in the supply and cost of parking? I don't think you can have 2010s-era growth and 1990s-era parking supply and prices at the same time.
Well supply you could actually increase if all projects included underground parking levels. Depending how many levels of parking each building included the total could be increased many times over. But all this comes at a cost. Plus we don't necessarily want more traffic on the roads Downtown anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:26 PM
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Once the existing supply is swallowed up and parking rates reach a certain tipping point, the invisible hand will trigger new parkades... if there's money to be made it will happen.

I know it's fun to imagine a Winnipeg with no downtown parking lots, but it just isn't realistic yet considering that transit service continues to be basic with still only half of one rapid transit line in operation, the downtown population is basically a rounding error and many of the walking distance residential neighbourhoods surrounding downtown effectively remain no-go zones for the middle class people who fill those towers for the most part. Hopefully that will change, but we're a long way from that happening.
Oh I'm with you there... there isn't going to be some kind of sea-change where suddenly everyone starts taking the bus or moves to within walking distance of work. I'm sure at some point someone's going to see the growing demand and build structured parking, and that's totally fine with me if it's designed well and ideally not in a prominent location. I just made the point that even when that happens, the old arrangement of relatively cheap parking next door to one's office probably won't remain a thing forever.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:28 PM
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The lack of parking at TNS will be a limiting factor in the continued growth in the area... there are partners of TNS tenants without parking spaces in the complex and that is an annoyance for some of them, as they're ponying up higher costs to be at a place where they can't park their car the way that they could in the old place. And it's going to get worse as the new TNS buildings come on stream.
EXACTLY All too often it gets lots in the discussions here that those big shinny new buildings everyone seems to love need supporting infrastructure in place including water and server hookups, hydro substations, roads and yes even fairly accessible parking.

When are are a partner in a law firm billing big dollars having to say walk 6 minutes a day to and from your parking spot once a day is an hour a week. If you bill $100 an hour that walk is costing you $400 on top of what you are paying for parking.

Winnipeg has already had a number of offices either leave downtown or choose to locate their office out in the suburbs often due to the lack of close, safe, available and "affordable" parking. The insurance company that moved to Polo Festival was the most public of them.

You cannot built a strip mall in the suburbs without adequate parking but its okay to build 19 floor office towers in downtown with minimal net new parking. It is a double standard and needs to stop.

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Oh and the 2 story one built into TNS I'm sure they'll have access to... wow theres lots of parking within a 1 minute walk of this place...
Perhaps in your rush to post you missed that esquire already posted that there is zero parking availability in TNS.

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Yeah this panic is very odd...

Theres the RWB parkade, the Medical Arts parkade, the CityPlace parkade, the Convention Centre parkade, and the several story Impark parkade all within a block of this spot. If their employees can't walk 1 whole block from the various parkades available to the public then theres no helping them...
You act as if these lots all have 100% vacancy every day of the week in the new building is going to finally be providing customers for the lots.

From memory RWB parkade is full or nearly full most days and would have limited monthly spots available. CityPlace to the best of my knowledge runs at the MPI pool vehicle lot and senior staff parking during the daytime. Add in the tenants in TNS that can't get parking in that building and there is likely no available spots there. Convention Centre also is likely not taking new monthly parking as they exceed their own capacity on event days and yes they are often weekdays.

Sure there are tonnes of places to park near the new Wawanesa building but that is very different from the number of available spots.

It is sort of similar to saying that downtown Winnipeg doesn't need the (now built) new hydro substation as we already have one. Reality is at some point all the supporting infrastructure hits a tipping point and more needs to be built.

People need to look at the whole picture and stop looking at single projects in isolation. For example there is talk about how the extra people might have an impact on retail and restaurants in the area in a positive way but there is a complete disregard for the logistics of how those people are getting to that new building. Last I checked we still cannot teleport from home to the office.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 2:55 PM
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Western Financial (the company that moved to the Polo Park area) was bought by Wawanesa: https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insur...e-assurance-desjardins-group-1004116532/

Does anyone know if those employees will be integrated into the new building downtown?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 3:03 PM
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Western Financial (the company that moved to the Polo Park area) was bought by Wawanesa: https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insur...e-assurance-desjardins-group-1004116532/

Does anyone know if those employees will be integrated into the new building downtown?
Yes.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2019, 3:06 PM
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Western Financial (the company that moved to the Polo Park area) was bought by Wawanesa: https://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insur...e-assurance-desjardins-group-1004116532/

Does anyone know if those employees will be integrated into the new building downtown?
Perhaps they could be shuffled into Wawanesa's old building on Broadway. Maybe there are enough employees to fill that up. Does anyone know if Wawanesa owns the surface lot on the corner? I would think not because it was mentioned they would have built there if possible but I'm not sure.
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