Winnipeg Construction IX

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

RWB could rent space in the medical arts building for it’s students...

Yeah, good point, I suppose there are options... MAB, maybe space in one of the TNS residential buildings? Although I would think they'd want to replace their own purpose-built building with another purpose-built building that they own and control. Perhaps working out a deal with the adjacent Holy Names House of Peace? Or perhaps with the Archdiocese of Winnipeg for development of the site adjacent to St. Mary's Cathedral? Or could they build a southerly addition to the RWB building?

[buzzg]

I hope they just rent somewhere and use money from sale of the land to do something to the outside of the main building... god it's awful.

[Wpg_Guy]

Address: 44 Hargrave street Winnipeg, MB
Location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/44+Har...fcceb2a5e3b!8m2!3d49.885731!4d-97.141098
Developer: Unknown
Architect: https://www.atlrg.ca/

A six storey, 63 suite downtown in-fill apartment building with surface level open-air parking behind the building.

https://twitter.com/daveshorr/status/1137740847527747584

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Well they could just go tall and skinny which would be ok. One of my absolute favorite buildings right now is 111W 57th which is a gem

Tall and skinny works better for residential, for office space companies want large floorsplates, collaborative, open concept spaces.

[1ajs]

perhaps its the whole rwb complex? resulting in rwb building a new digs somewhere els in a big shuffle?

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

perhaps its the whole rwb complex? resulting in rwb building a new digs somewhere els in a big shuffle?

That’s not going to happen, even with the sale of the land (assuming RWB owns it), I don’t think they are that flush with cash they could build a new purpose built facility.

[optimusREIM]

So this is gonna be office exclusive right? No mixed use? Because the height could be pretty high if they wanted to add residential. That said, I remember someone at true north saying they had received lots of interest in tens office space and had looked at expanding the scope of the project so maybe this is what came of it

[cllew]

Apparently the RWB Parkade is being demolished as part of the Wawanessa development. Nothing was mentioned about the residence.

The announcement is at 10am so we should know the complete details then

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by cllew

Apparently the RWB Parkade is being demolished as part of the Wawanessa development. Nothing was mentioned about the residence.

The announcement is at 10am so we should know the complete details then

That doesn't make any sense, the RWB parkade is built into the complex, i think the reporter or their source must have the demolition of residence mistaken for the parkade.

[Spocket]

Not necessarily. Just looking at it from Google Earth it appears that a substantial portion of the parkade is stand alone and not under anything. That could be enough room for a tower if they want to take up every square inch of space available.

Actually, now that I think of it, they're going to have to provide parking as well so if they demolish the parkade, they may just have to rebuild it under the tower they erect. Of course, we don't know the actual details anyway and we don't know the tower's footprint either. I seem to recall hearing something about Hull's but that may have been here and people speculating openly that I've got confused. Either way I guess we'll just have to wait until Thursday.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by Spocket

Not necessarily. Just looking at it from Google Earth it appears that a substantial portion of the parkade is stand alone and not under anything. That could be enough room for a tower if they want to take up every square inch of space available.

That puts the tower behind Sutton Place on Edmonton, from the information provided so far the tower will be up at Graham and Carlton, id expect the demolition of Hull’s and the RWB residence.

[buzzg]

If you look at that photo, seems like it would be quite easy to demolish the open part of the parkade... and build TWO towers.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by buzzg

If you look at that photo, seems like it would be quite easy to demolish the open part of the parkade... and build TWO towers.

Yes it's possible, id imagine though that the parkade is a major source of revenue for the RWB, im sure every penny of revenue is critical to their operations and sustainability.

[esquire]

I think wpg_guy is most likely right, the parkade is tightly integrated into the building. I'd be pretty surprised if they wanted to surgically remove a large chunk of it for what would not amount to much of a buildable parcel. Hull's, the RWB residence and adjacent parking lot looks like more than enough room for the footprint of a substantial tower.

Anyway, a few more thoughts on this:

* Turning Carlton and Graham into the new Portage and Main is going to add to the parking crunch around there... I would imagine a new parkade somewhere can't be too far off in the distance.

* I wonder if the remaining TNS towers and this project will have much of an impact on downtown retail at Cityplace and Portage Place? I'm not expecting a miracle, but it would be nice if this influx of people brought downtown retail up to at least a downtown Edmonton level of offerings.

* Wawanesa moving is pretty much the end of Broadway as the insurance and financial district that it became in the 60s and 70s. All that's really left is GWL/Canada Life, and they're in their own fortress at the end of the strip. It will be interesting to see who ends up in Wawanesa's building... I could see it being attractive to certain public sector users. One that comes to mind is the WRHA, they are spread out quite a bit and I hear their head office staff aren't crazy about their North Main location in the bunker. It's not impossible to imagine that building being given over for clinical/community program use and their staff moving to Broadway...

* I'm very curious to see what kind of design this new tower will have... will it be fully integrated into TNS or will it have a unique look? My expectations are fairly high by Winnipeg standards as I wouldn't expect the developer or the tenant to cheap out on an ugly design.

* It is pretty cool to see all of this density around Cityplace now. The stretch between Hargrave and Edmonton used to be so dead, and now it's turning into one of the busiest parts of town. Hopefully that will translate to a livelier pedestrian environment too.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by esquire

I think wpg_guy is most likely right, the parkade is tightly integrated into the building. I'd be pretty surprised if they wanted to surgically remove a large chunk of it for what would not amount to much of a buildable parcel. Hull's, the RWB residence and adjacent parking lot looks like more than enough room for the footprint of a substantial tower.

Anyway, a few more thoughts on this:

* Turning Carlton and Graham into the new Portage and Main is going to add to the parking crunch around there... I would imagine a new parkade somewhere can't be too far off in the distance.

* I wonder if the remaining TNS towers and this project will have much of an impact on downtown retail at Cityplace and Portage Place? I'm not expecting a miracle, but it would be nice if this influx of people brought downtown retail up to at least a downtown Edmonton level of offerings.

* Wawanesa moving is pretty much the end of Broadway as the insurance and financial district that it became in the 60s and 70s. All that's really left is GWL/Canada Life, and they're in their own fortress at the end of the strip. It will be interesting to see who ends up in Wawanesa's building... I could see it being attractive to certain public sector users. One that comes to mind is the WRHA, they are spread out quite a bit and I hear their head office staff aren't crazy about their North Main location in the bunker. It's not impossible to imagine that building being given over for clinical/community program use and their staff moving to Broadway...

* I'm very curious to see what kind of design this new tower will have... will it be fully integrated into TNS or will it have a unique look? My expectations are fairly high by Winnipeg standards as I wouldn't expect the developer or the tenant to cheap out on an ugly design.

* It is pretty cool to see all of this density around Cityplace now. The stretch between Hargrave and Edmonton used to be so dead, and now it's turning into one of the busiest parts of town. Hopefully that will translate to a livelier pedestrian environment too.

This won't happen, WRHA is currently being striped of its none core functions which are being transferred into the new Shared Health. The plan as of now, is for the corporate folk at WRHA, whose programs are transferring to Shared Health, to move to 155 Carlton where Shared Health is currently located. This will happen in the next 3-6 months. The future plans for Shared Health are to move to HSC, likely a long way off since there isn't enough space there and there is no funding coming down the pipe for a new build, especially just for a head office.

[dmacc]

So this new building will have to be integrated into TNS since they are the ones making the announcement, right?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by dmacc

So this new building will have to be integrated into TNS since they are the ones making the announcement, right?

I think that's the plan. I noticed that the article on CJOB links this to TNS and also says something like 'new tower to be constructed as part of TNS' or something along those lines. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5384757/wawanesa-insurance-tenant-new-true-north-square/
Edit: they're calling Wawanesa a tenant at TNS and reporting that the building will be owned by TN and Richardson & Sons.

This is actually like Christmas. Loving it haha

[Biff]

The building is beautiful

[Biff]

More glass

[Biff]

19-20 storeys